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Offline John

Re: Cuddlecat and those claimed alerts.
« Reply #195 on: July 26, 2016, 02:52:45 AM »
I am feeling a bit frustrated because the effort I have had to put in to show that the Cuddle Cat taken from Kate , the washed one, is not the same one we see in this video, and still no one has seen the interesting situation that that switch created.
Had they not switched them the result might have been different, depending on the thoroughness of the laundering.

I don't see any discernable difference?





« Last Edit: July 26, 2016, 03:05:16 AM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Cuddlecat and those claimed alerts.
« Reply #196 on: July 26, 2016, 03:24:58 AM »
I don't see any discernable difference?







So what was the source of the middle pic please? Does it relate to the case?  (Just the run of the mill cuddle cat)
Is the first picture a still photo  from the file or just screen shot of the video?
I recognize the last pic ok.

The differences I note:
1.  Different colour

2.  No markings visible on the face ofthe CC on the one Martin is holding up.

3.  The McCanns went to Fatima after Madeleine went missing so every one of the McCann's cuddle cats would be without the Fatima ribbons on the 3rd.
So when the PJ took Cuddle cat into custody would he still have had those ribbons.  I don't see them on the one Martin is holding up.
 
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5.  The ends of the bow tie are different  Frayed on the one Martin is holding up.
Square ends on the one Kate took to Rome. This seems definite.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Cuddlecat and those claimed alerts.
« Reply #197 on: July 26, 2016, 06:35:06 AM »
I see the middle photo is attached to an article

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Police to seize Cuddle Cat
The suggestion that Madeleine's favourite soft toy might be taken into police custody after 134 days raises the investigation to new levels of farce.
Either the claim is untrue - or Portuguese detectives are desperate to make up for their early failures in recovering potentially vital DNA and forensic evidence.
Dr McCann and her husband say Madeleine was tucked up in bed with the toy when she went to sleep that night on May 3. After she disappeared, the cat was found in the bedroom of the family's holiday apartment on a ledge too high for Madeleine to reach.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-481683/Madeleine--Why-flaky-evidence-lead-conviction-British-court.html

That cat sure gets around,  On shelves, on the bed, on the pillow and under the blankets, I'm losing track.
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Alfie

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Re: Cuddlecat and those claimed alerts.
« Reply #198 on: July 26, 2016, 08:16:49 AM »
I see the middle photo is attached to an article
That cat sure gets around,  On shelves, on the bed, on the pillow and under the blankets, I'm losing track.
thought you were within hours of cracking this case, or so you intimated a couple of weeks ago.  How are you getting on?

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Cuddlecat and those claimed alerts.
« Reply #199 on: July 26, 2016, 08:43:20 AM »
thought you were within hours of cracking this case, or so you intimated a couple of weeks ago.  How are you getting on?
I'm just a bit burnt out.  I just need to slow down a bit.  It is all good.
It is so hard to say whether they were different CCs or not.  In the end I just think there was a poor chain of evidence.  The video didn't force a confession so they gave Kate's cuddle cat back.  It would be impossible for the PJ to prove:
1.  That they hadn't switched them.
2.  That they had not put Cuddle cat into an area where an alert had previously been elicited.

So I'm feeling a bit beaten over this aspect. But my theory doesn't need switched Cuddle cats.
 But it will need some evidence at some stage.
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Offline sadie

Re: Cuddlecat and those claimed alerts.
« Reply #200 on: July 26, 2016, 11:41:00 AM »
I'm just a bit burnt out.  I just need to slow down a bit.  It is all good.
It is so hard to say whether they were different CCs or not.  In the end I just think there was a poor chain of evidence.  The video didn't force a confession so they gave Kate's cuddle cat back.  It would be impossible for the PJ to prove they hadn't switched them. That they had not put Cuddle cat into an area where an alert had been elicited.
So I'm feeling a bit beaten over this aspect. But my theory doesn't need switched Cuddle cats.
 But it will need some evidence at some stage.

Robbity, I am not surprised that you are feeling burnt out.  You have worked extra-ordinarily hard and in depth.


You have raised a number of points that I, nor I suspect others, have thought of.   We all need to analyse in more detail, as you have done. 

I would like to say that although I dont follow or believe in a good deal that you say, you have made us look at the facts much more carefully.  The myths and misunderstandings are getting sorted ... and that is a major plus.


Take your time, draw a breath or two, but carry on .... it is healthy that you throw out these challenges to us .  But be prepared for disbelief and strong reactions at some of the things that you say.  Try not to take it personally


Good wishes, sadie

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Cuddlecat and those claimed alerts.
« Reply #201 on: July 26, 2016, 12:12:19 PM »
Thanks Sadie. 
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Cuddlecat and those claimed alerts.
« Reply #202 on: July 26, 2016, 01:58:33 PM »
I'm just a bit burnt out.  I just need to slow down a bit.  It is all good.
It is so hard to say whether they were different CCs or not.  In the end I just think there was a poor chain of evidence.  The video didn't force a confession so they gave Kate's cuddle cat back.  It would be impossible for the PJ to prove:
1.  That they hadn't switched them.
2.  That they had not put Cuddle cat into an area where an alert had previously been elicited.

So I'm feeling a bit beaten over this aspect. But my theory doesn't need switched Cuddle cats.
 But it will need some evidence at some stage.
I will drop suggestions of there being two cuddle cats but I am still sticking to the idea that the check in Villa with cadaver dogs was a ruse to force a confession out of Kate by shocking her.
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ferryman

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Re: Cuddlecat and those claimed alerts.
« Reply #203 on: July 26, 2016, 03:25:28 PM »
I will drop suggestions of there being two cuddle cats but I am still sticking to the idea that the check in Villa with cadaver dogs was a ruse to force a confession out of Kate by shocking her.

What do you make of the check (following) in the gym?

Offline pegasus

Re: Cuddlecat and those claimed alerts.
« Reply #204 on: July 26, 2016, 05:31:30 PM »
Where did you say they were being sold?  You mentioned something like a fair in April 2007 can you recall that?
I now agree that she had this toy since a young age (the source you posted KM book = correct IMO).

Offline pegasus

Re: Cuddlecat and those claimed alerts.
« Reply #205 on: July 26, 2016, 05:39:55 PM »
An identical cat (described as dating from Mar 2005) is for sale secondhand in Spain
http://www.todocoleccion.net/juguetes-antiguos-ositos/muneca-peluche-muneco-gato-gatito-cuddle-cat~x50016271#descripcion

ferryman

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Re: Cuddlecat and those claimed alerts.
« Reply #206 on: July 26, 2016, 06:32:23 PM »
I will drop suggestions of there being two cuddle cats but I am still sticking to the idea that the check in Villa with cadaver dogs was a ruse to force a confession out of Kate by shocking her.

Examination of the reason (for the inspection in the villa) is certainly one worth examination.

The first point to note is that Madeleine never lived there.

The second is that clothing examined (several months after Madeleine was abducted) was not kept in some special storage awaiting inspection.  It was in common circulation as clothing is: worn, washed, packed in suitcases, folded away on wardrobe shelves (etc,)

What was the purpose of any inspection?

Remember that any (uncorroborated) reaction (of a cadaver dog) is worthless as evidence (no reflection on the dog; just the position in English law).  So what were they looking for?

Minute traces of Madeleine's blood would have been meaningless; plenty of innocent explanations of how it might have got there; while deposits in quantities visible to the naked human eye would obviously not have required a dog to find them.

Yet the clothing was inspected.

Why?

And (exactly the same clothing!), not reacted to in the villa, was then transported in bog-standard cardboard boxes (with zero regard to principles of cross-contamination; not that that mattered) to a different premises for a second inspection in the gym.

Again, why?

I don't think there's too much doubt as to the answer.

Oh, and cuddlecat?

I don't think it was ever in the script that the toy should have been, specifically, the subject of inspection, perched on a stand from which Eddie knocked it off (entirely unscripted).

From there, Grime kind of made it up as he went along.
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Offline misty

Re: Cuddlecat and those claimed alerts.
« Reply #207 on: July 26, 2016, 07:28:45 PM »
An identical cat (described as dating from Mar 2005) is for sale secondhand in Spain
http://www.todocoleccion.net/juguetes-antiguos-ositos/muneca-peluche-muneco-gato-gatito-cuddle-cat~x50016271#descripcion

That's a great find Pegasus (as per usual).
Did you crop the original CC picture to try to get a match or add + symbol between Spanish words on Spanish Google? I had no luck on Dutch, South African, Canadian or Irish Google just typing in various word arrangements. (then I gave up for the night)

Offline pegasus

Re: Cuddlecat and those claimed alerts.
« Reply #208 on: July 26, 2016, 07:35:50 PM »
That's a great find Pegasus (as per usual).
Did you crop the original CC picture to try to get a match or add + symbol between Spanish words on Spanish Google? I had no luck on Dutch, South African, Canadian or Irish Google just typing in various word arrangements. (then I gave up for the night)
searched for cuddle cat peluche

Offline misty

Re: Cuddlecat and those claimed alerts.
« Reply #209 on: July 26, 2016, 07:43:36 PM »
searched for cuddle cat peluche

OK, thanks for that. I will have another mooch around other various countries' Google again later. The toy doesn't appear to have been popular or mass-produced.