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Offline misty

Re: Cuddlecat and those claimed alerts.
« Reply #225 on: July 27, 2016, 12:03:21 AM »
Is it possible there is a pile of washed folded clothing on the breakfast table under those two white pillows?

Those pillows look pretty flat to the table top so, imo, no, there was no pile of washing underneath them.

Offline pegasus

Re: Cuddlecat and those claimed alerts.
« Reply #226 on: July 27, 2016, 12:45:50 AM »
Just before that, didn't the handler walk part way around the table, stop at the very place Eddie put his nose up to & then retrace his steps back to the side of the cameraman? What was the point of that little exercise?
I watch exclusively the dog, Misty, not the people.
Eddie leans up to sniff just above breakfast table then immediately (within a split second) alerts.
This alert lasts about 14 seconds BTW.
Eddie had walked behind this table before but this is the first time he leaned up to breakfast table top therefore the source was on top of table (or possibly on top of chair seat) IMO.

Offline pegasus

Re: Cuddlecat and those claimed alerts.
« Reply #227 on: July 27, 2016, 12:56:00 AM »
Those pillows look pretty flat to the table top so, imo, no, there was no pile of washing underneath them.
Earlier that day before police visit maybe the vehicle keycard had been placed on the breakfast table?

Offline misty

Re: Cuddlecat and those claimed alerts.
« Reply #228 on: July 27, 2016, 12:59:05 AM »
I watch exclusively the dog, Misty, not the people.
Eddie leans up to sniff just above breakfast table then immediately (within a split second) alerts.
This alert lasts about 14 seconds BTW.
Eddie had walked behind this table before but this is the first time he leaned up to breakfast table top therefore the source was on top of table (or possibly on top of chair seat) IMO.

I agree with your analysis of the alert - but watch the handler beforehand closely. If the dog had walked past the table & chair before & not alerted...............

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Cuddlecat and those claimed alerts.
« Reply #229 on: July 27, 2016, 01:05:24 AM »
Earlier that day before police visit maybe the vehicle keycard had been placed on the breakfast table?
There would be so many possibilities There would be no limit.

Payne's apartment
***2 other apartments provided by MW ltd **** Do these two get checked by the cadaver dogs?
July onward living at the villa.
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Offline pegasus

Re: Cuddlecat and those claimed alerts.
« Reply #230 on: July 27, 2016, 08:23:29 AM »
Those pillows look pretty flat to the table top so, imo, no, there was no pile of washing underneath them.
The end that is furthest from camera of the right pillow is higher up so it is possible there are some clothing items beneath it IMO.

BTW this photo shows the first time Eddie sniffs the table top.
A moment later he sniffs the table top a second time and alerts.



Offline pegasus

Re: Cuddlecat and those claimed alerts.
« Reply #231 on: July 27, 2016, 11:50:04 AM »
Re the top of the breakfast table and the dining chair.
The search by Eddie was late daytime 2nd Aug.
What items had been on that table earlier in that day 2nd Aug, before the police team arrived ...
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Offline pegasus

Re: Cuddlecat and those claimed alerts.
« Reply #232 on: July 27, 2016, 12:06:38 PM »
I agree with your analysis of the alert - but watch the handler beforehand closely ... (snip)
IMO the handler is simply instructing the dog to walk behind the table again.
The handler does not prompt the dog to check the table top. The dog makes his own decision to lean up and sniff at table top level. Good, because by leaning up (audio front paws on chair seat), he detects the scent he is trained to find and alerts. BTW at the moment of this alert, the handler is beckoning the dog to examine the left sideboard door. The dog correctly ignores the handler, follows his nose, sniffs at table top level, and alerts. This is a huge alert - the barking lasts for 14 seconds.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Cuddlecat and those claimed alerts.
« Reply #233 on: July 27, 2016, 07:44:09 PM »
IMO the handler is simply instructing the dog to walk behind the table again.
The handler does not prompt the dog to check the table top. The dog makes his own decision to lean up and sniff at table top level. Good, because by leaning up (audio front paws on chair seat), he detects the scent he is trained to find and alerts. BTW at the moment of this alert, the handler is beckoning the dog to examine the left sideboard door. The dog correctly ignores the handler, follows his nose, sniffs at table top level, and alerts. This is a huge alert - the barking lasts for 14 seconds.
Are we saying there were alerts at the villa that were not recorded as evidence, but then made out that they were coming from Cuddle Cat instead?  That is a strange tactic.  I'm tending to think there may have been innocent reasons that there were these alerts at the Villa but as Kate says she "can't explain it".
But Gerry answers with a "He confirms all of what was stated previously to the Police on two occasions, and has nothing further to add." and then gives a further statement.  This is all contained in their  arguido statements.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-ARGUIDO.htm
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN_07-09-07.htm#p10p2557
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Offline pegasus

Re: Cuddlecat and those claimed alerts.
« Reply #234 on: July 27, 2016, 08:44:25 PM »
Are we saying there were alerts at the villa that were not recorded as evidence, but then made out that they were coming from Cuddle Cat instead?  That is a strange tactic. (snip)
No. Just saying IMO careful watching of the dog's alerts in villa shows IMO that these alerts were not to the cat. Don't imagine that police experts don't sometimes miss answers. Example it was a neighbour who solved a recent case in Hertfordshire area, by providing a tiny something the huge police effort of many professional experts had completely missed. It would probably have ended up in a cold case archive in a hundred years time otherwise. 

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Cuddlecat and those claimed alerts.
« Reply #235 on: July 27, 2016, 09:19:15 PM »
No. Just saying IMO careful watching of the dog's alerts in villa shows IMO that these alerts were not to the cat. Don't imagine that police experts don't sometimes miss answers. (snip)
That was what I was trying to say above.  There were alerts (to something yet to be determined) but the PJ made out they were attributable to the cat being in the cupboard.  But she wasn't in the sideboard when the first alerts were made.  That is strange if that is true.
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Offline Angelo222

Re: Cuddlecat and those claimed alerts.
« Reply #236 on: July 27, 2016, 09:39:07 PM »
If you ask me the dog inspections were a complete and utter waste of time and money.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

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Re: Cuddlecat and those claimed alerts.
« Reply #237 on: July 27, 2016, 09:48:54 PM »
If you ask me the dog inspections were a complete and utter waste of time and money.

If that had been the worst of it, it wouldn't have been so bad.

Offline misty

Re: Cuddlecat and those claimed alerts.
« Reply #238 on: July 27, 2016, 09:51:50 PM »
IMO the handler is simply instructing the dog to walk behind the table again.
The handler does not prompt the dog to check the table top. The dog makes his own decision to lean up and sniff at table top level. Good, because by leaning up (audio front paws on chair seat), he detects the scent he is trained to find and alerts. BTW at the moment of this alert, the handler is beckoning the dog to examine the left sideboard door. The dog correctly ignores the handler, follows his nose, sniffs at table top level, and alerts. This is a huge alert - the barking lasts for 14 seconds.

The table cloth wasn't taken to the gymnasium with the other clothing & linen, was it?

Offline pegasus

Re: Cuddlecat and those claimed alerts.
« Reply #239 on: July 27, 2016, 09:55:36 PM »
IMO the witness who discovered the scene at 10pm told the truth Eleanor - the toy was on the bed. The misinterpretation(IMO) of the villa alerts, as being alerts to the cat, imply the witness is lying. If it's insane to try prove by study of the video that the witness is telling the truth, and that the alerts were not to the cat, then I'm moving into the nearest horse asylum a.s.a.p. ;)
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