Was the translation process a limiting factor in the Maddie case?

[mercury]

Many people have asked who the man was doing translating on the 3rd but no-one has provided an answer - so I don't deserve a slapping of any sort.
Think Pegasus must be on holiday, no posts for about a week now.

It was obviously someone else wearing glasses
There was one british ex pat iirc who could be likened to him and who parts of the tapas mob suddenly remembered WAS robert murat onmay 15 or so
All the police who knew murat said he wasnt there or didnt  see him
I was being facetious as well as serious,chill out

To get back to the point
What amateur translators did the PJ use inofficial context and in the files andwho complained
apart from kate mccann covering her/their bases  incase something incriminatory isbrought up no one has complained about translators have they

[Robittybob1]

It was obviously someone else wearing glasses
There was one british ex pat iirc who could be likened to him and who parts of the tapas mob suddenly remembered WAS robert murat onmay 15 or so
All the police who knew murat said he wasnt there or didnt  see him
.....

Is this for real?  There was another person doing translations who looked like Robert Murat on the 3rd - 4th night. 

[misty]

It was obviously someone else wearing glasses
There was one british ex pat iirc who could be likened to him and who parts of the tapas mob suddenly remembered WAS robert murat onmay 15 or so
All the police who knew murat said he wasnt there or didnt  see him
I was being facetious as well as serious,chill out

To get back to the point
What amateur translators did the PJ use inofficial context and in the files andwho complained
apart from kate mccann covering her/their bases  incase something incriminatory isbrought up no one has complained about translators have they

Who would anyone complain to, over a year later, when the statements were put on the internet?

[Robittybob1]

Who would anyone complain to, over a year later, when the statements were put on the internet?

They could come onto a forum like this one.

[mercury]

Who would anyone complain to, over a year later, when the statements were put on the internet?

Uk media, like all and sundry  complained through it for years

[misty]

Uk media, like all and sundry  complained through it for years

Aren't the media restricted as regards the witness comments they can publish?

[mercury]

Aren't the media restricted as regards the witness comments they can publish?

Doesnt seem so going by the amount of witnesses who spoke to them complaining  about the pt police ignoring them etc etc

[misty]

They could come onto a forum like this one.

How could anyone provide the necessary proof  to this forum to alter the online testimonies?

[misty]

Doesnt seem so going by the amount of witnesses who spoke to them complaining  about the pt police ignoring them etc etc

Have we seen the original statements from those who complained?

[mercury]

Aren't the media restricted as regards the witness comments they can publish?

My apologies
Youwere talking about complaints about personal statements to policeandbeng wrongly translated


I suppose none were otherwise no one would have SIGNED when their original statements despite being translated were READ back to them n ENGLISH

you would have to be seriously DUMB to sign a statement read to you i n english which was not what you said, ergo, seeing as the tapasgroup were not DUMB, they agreed and signed ergo the statements are true and valid

And therfore  what kate mccann said in her book is utter claptrap

As quoted by g unit

The interview system we’d encountered on our previous visit – questions asked in Portuguese and verbally translated into English; answers given in English, translated into Portuguese and typed up by the interviewing officer – was exhausting for everyone. At the end of the interview the statement prepared by the officer would be printed out in Portuguese, verbally translated, on the spot, into English, and then signed by the interviewee. It was
obvious that at every stage of the process the scope for mistakes in translation and misunderstandings was considerable.
[Madeleine].

Who is she tryng to fool???

Nite now

[misty]

My apologies
Youwere talking about complaints about personal statements to policeandbeng wrongly translated


I suppose none were otherwise no one would have SIGNED when their original statements despite being translated were READ back to them n ENGLISH

you would have to be seriously DUMB to sign a statement read to you i n english which was not what you said, ergo, seeing as the tapasgroup were not DUMB, they agreed and signed ergo the statements are true and valid

And therfore  what kate mccann said in her book is utter claptrap

As quoted by g unit

The interview system we’d encountered on our previous visit – questions asked in Portuguese and verbally translated into English; answers given in English, translated into Portuguese and typed up by the interviewing officer – was exhausting for everyone. At the end of the interview the statement prepared by the officer would be printed out in Portuguese, verbally translated, on the spot, into English, and then signed by the interviewee. It was
obvious that at every stage of the process the scope for mistakes in translation and misunderstandings was considerable.
[Madeleine].

Who is she tryng to fool???

Nite now

It all appears to have been a laborious procedure involving tired & stressed people ergo plenty of scope for misunderstandings & errors.
IMO KM was not trying to fool anyone with her comments about the interview system. The language barrier & procedural differences were a massive problem from the start. Compared to the police response when William Tyrrell went missing during daylight hours in Australia, the PJ fell well short of acceptable standards in many areas.
Nite Merc. Please dispose of the fish humanely.

[mercury]

It doesnt matter what  the process was

The english witnesses were
re read back their statements in english

They agreed and SIGNED them as their statements


Fish all gone

Bye

[Mr Gray]

It doesnt matter what  the process was

The english witnesses were
re read back their statements in english

They agreed and SIGNED them as their statements


Fish all gone

Bye

the law does not work the way you think it does...as legal documents the statements are worthless. The signature does not confirm any understanding of the contents. thats the way the law works

[Robittybob1]

the law does not work the way you think it does...as legal documents the statements are worthless. The signature does not confirm any understanding of the contents. thats the way the law works

That might be true for your own country but does it work like that in Portugal?

[G-Unit]

"With all formal witness statements, the interview is read over and its contents explained. After having shown their agreement with their statements, the interviewee confirms and signs as accurate the content of the document that follows, conjointly with the "sworn" interpreter, where one is used. This is normal procedure in all formal interviews. In co-signing, the interpreter commits themself legally concerning the accuracy of their translation."
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TRANSLATIONS.htm

So the witness signs to say the content is accurate and the interpreter to say the translation is accurate. Quite a strong motive for the interpreter to be sure it's correct because they have a legal obligation.

Each interpreter used had to make a statement in court;

From the Lagos Court


Report via Fax to PJ Portimao of the interpreters indicated above with address and phone number.

Summon them by the quickest means for their statement of compromise.

Ask the PJ to provide via Fax the names, addresses, phone numbers of the interpreters mentioned on the previous page.

Afterwards contact them for their statement of compromise in this Court within a maximum delay of 46 hours, according to article 91, number 2 of the CPP:


A list of those used early on;



http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/interpreters.htm