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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #75 on: November 12, 2016, 10:50:16 PM »
Yes, you are absolutely right that the boyfriend's private life is none of anyone's business-----however, some unscrupulous journalists don't normally care whether the stuff they print is anyone's business or not!!

I don't believe there ever was an anonymous tip off, actually. His girlfriend she stood by him when he was first arrested, and even visited him in prison.

And usually, if people have been beaten up/attacked in prison (Ian Huntley, Peter Sutcliffe, for example), that is exactly the sort of thing the papers do report!
Then maybe he hasnt been attacked

So who was the anonymous call from? thatgave his name and why not sooner?
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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #76 on: November 12, 2016, 10:52:16 PM »
Hi mercury


There's been nothing to substanciate the sobbing girl, it wasnt played in court was it?? (I'm not sure)


That could have simply been a Red Herring to make the culprit feel uncomfortable, and give away his guilt at hearing the news.
How is it a red herring if the call ledthe police to arrest him
If it was a red herring what led the police to arrest him then?

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #77 on: November 12, 2016, 10:53:46 PM »
Dont think it was ever revealed what that piece of evidence was.

I don t know what it could be, but its obviously an item of some description..

At first when i read it... I read it wrong, thought significant piece of evidence was the DNA.. but it actually says it was handed to them, I wonder what it could be and why it wasn't used in court..

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #78 on: November 12, 2016, 11:10:26 PM »
How is it a red herring if the call ledthe police to arrest him
If it was a red herring what led the police to arrest him then?

Police tactics in unveiling criminals are many fold, for example to get a confession out of a person say for a crime of passion, they may suggest that they understand how they were pushed to commit said crime, leaving the perpetrator feeling that they have a friend someone who understands them.

Didn't the Police say that when they went to visit Tabak in Holland thats where they decided it was him.. The lady detective said in a video that at first Tabak declined to give a sample of DNA, thats what she saw as a Red Flag as far as he was concerned.

She telephone avon and somerset police immediateley, thats when Vincent Tabak came into their sights.


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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #79 on: November 12, 2016, 11:22:07 PM »
The apparent tip off from the "sobbing girl" was not mentioned during the trial, as far as I know.  It was in the newspapers, and given as the reason why VT was arrested, but nobody ever identified the sobbing girl, and there is no evidence that she ever existed.

As far as we know, VT came under suspicion after he was interviewed in Holland on New Years Eve.  He changed his story by saying that he went to ASDA, when, in  his previous statement to the police , he had said that he had been in all evening until he collected his girlfriend from the coach.  Also, he took a lot of interest in why the front door to JY's flat had been removed (he had seen this on the telly while in Holland). At least, this is what the papers were reporting at the time!  It was said that the police went to interview him in Holland because he and his girlfriend had telephoned them about the position of the landlord's car, BUT the interview in Holland lasted for 6 hours, so they must have been talking about a lot of other things too.  Nobody knows exactly what, as the police have never revealed it.
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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #80 on: November 12, 2016, 11:27:42 PM »
Dont think VT ever declined to give a DNA sample, but he was surprised and reluctant at first.  This COULD be because he was guilty, or it COULD be because he had telephoned the police in order to be helpful, and suddenly he realised that he was , perhaps, being thought of as a suspect.

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #81 on: November 12, 2016, 11:35:05 PM »
Police tactics in unveiling criminals are many fold, for example to get a confession out of a person say for a crime of passion, they may suggest that they understand how they were pushed to commit said crime, leaving the perpetrator feeling that they have a friend someone who understands them.

Didn't the Police say that when they went to visit Tabak in Holland thats where they decided it was him.. The lady detective said in a video that at first Tabak declined to give a sample of DNA, thats what she saw as a Red Flag as far as he was concerned.

She telephone avon and somerset police immediateley, thats when Vincent Tabak came into their sights.

Ok i get what youre saying and Only the police and those close to them know how they work
But why would police need a reason apart from their own work to suspect and charge someone? Why wouldnt a policewomans suspicions /judgements be enough? You dont need to answer that Im just thnking out loud
What a headache
I dont believe he is innocent
The case against him might have holes (ie he liked strangulation porn etc) but it was probably right...and all his internet searches after it are quite damning

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #82 on: November 12, 2016, 11:36:09 PM »
The apparent tip off from the "sobbing girl" was not mentioned during the trial, as far as I know.  It was in the newspapers, and given as the reason why VT was arrested, but nobody ever identified the sobbing girl, and there is no evidence that she ever existed.

As far as we know, VT came under suspicion after he was interviewed in Holland on New Years Eve.  He changed his story by saying that he went to ASDA, when, in  his previous statement to the police , he had said that he had been in all evening until he collected his girlfriend from the coach.  Also, he took a lot of interest in why the front door to JY's flat had been removed (he had seen this on the telly while in Holland). At least, this is what the papers were reporting at the time!  It was said that the police went to interview him in Holland because he and his girlfriend had telephoned them about the position of the landlord's car, BUT the interview in Holland lasted for 6 hours, so they must have been talking about a lot of other things too.  Nobody knows exactly what, as the police have never revealed it.

Fact she was sobbing tends to it being the gf imo
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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #83 on: November 12, 2016, 11:45:50 PM »
Fact she was sobbing tends to it being the gf imo

Was it ever said what the content of the sobbing girls phone call was about?

Did she Infact say it was  Vincent Tabak?

Was it played to the Jury?


Because that would then be a Damning piece of evidence!!

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #84 on: November 13, 2016, 12:14:57 AM »
The Police have always told us about The Missing Tesco's pizza and The Sock..

Why didnt they tell us about the smashed console,

They didnt tell us to look out for a broken console along with the Pizza and the Sock, surely a big piece of evidence with finger prints on it..

I refer to the console because I didn't know about it , whilst reading Sally Ramages pages ,on page 84

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I don’t know.
The screams were heard 40 minutes before you texted Sonja.
No. I don’t know.
The apron dropped near to the door?
I don’t know?
Shhards of console- did you do that?
I don’t know.
POr of her knickers by the door. Did you put them there?
I don’t know.
Earrings in the bedroom

Was The Console the item handed in to Avon and Somerset Police??

Why didn't they look for it??

Or do they have the console in the evidence collected, if so why wasn't,t it in court evidence?



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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #85 on: November 13, 2016, 12:25:29 AM »
I believe the "sobbing girl" was forgotten about once VT had been arrested and charged, and , as far as I recall, she was never mentioned at the trial. A number of people on various forums have questioned this. 

As for computer evidence, I just hope that I never get questioned by the police regarding a murder, as they would probably nail me immediately if they were to see my internet searches! They would probably say I had become corrupted by reading true crime stuff, and that I had become "inspired" by Vincent Tabak !

I would then need a cohort of good friends and lawyers to persuade the police that a 60 something, five feet tall woman with arthritis could not have possibly dunnit!!


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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #86 on: November 13, 2016, 09:38:34 AM »
Extract from daily mail:

Detectives interviewed the owner of the car earlier this month but eliminated him at that stage.
A source close to the investigation told The Mail on Sunday: ‘The investigation changed dramatically three weeks ago after this new CCTV footage came to light.
‘The discovery of this car driving over the bridge shifted the case’s dynamics.
'Before this breakthrough the investigation was close to hitting a brick wall. They had interviewed Miss Yeates’s landlord but nothing materialised from it and there was no concrete evidence linking him in any way to the murder.
‘It appears he had brought himself under suspicion by making a series of comments which now appear to be irrelevant and innocuous. There was no case against him.’


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1349615/Joanna-Yeates-murder-Vincent-Tabak-charged-murder-court-Monday.html#ixzz4PpyeMNSI
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Thought they could identify cars going over the bridge?

Just re reading my post, quite often it takes a while for the light to turn on... ( i first read it as just a driver, but i think they mean VT) In any case they could see one driver clearly.

If the Police had interviewed Vincent Tabak because they saw his car go over the bridge, why didnt they use the CCTV as evidence??

Why was it clear enough one day to identify the driver but, its not clear cctv footage to use in court?

I don't understand

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #87 on: November 13, 2016, 11:52:35 AM »
Re his dna it was found on her body and although they couldnt say what substance it came from (weak samples apparently and not surprised if body was covered in snow) they said it was billion to one from him

Its under the dna section in this very thorough page

http://murderpedia.org/male.T/t/tabak-vincent.htm

There are some niggles in this case, doesnt mean they are big red flags without any explanation

As in the Knox case, a red flag is accusng someone else and I believe VT pointed the finger at the landlord

The murderpedia states that Tabak left his home at 10.00pm

Jo's in his flat for an hour, gives even less time for events to take place.

I'm not convinced, with the timelines,...  the media used the CCTV image of Tabak driving around Bristol, saying he was looking for somewhere to dump Jo..

Even though the CCTV image  doesn't have a timestamp it has a date stamp for the 18th Dec, which is after Midnight, and according to murderpedia tabak was home at midnight and didn't go out again until he went to pick up Tanja!!

So I'm interested about the CCTV footage showing him driving around trying to find a place to get rid of Jo..


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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #88 on: November 13, 2016, 10:08:36 PM »
Hi nine

I never followed this case much
I dont thnk the vincent is innocent blog is unbiased
I would like to think the uk police dont fit people up in this day and age
I just dont know though
I dont though believe he was forced to confess or drugged to or drugged throughout the trial

Alot of the questions people have have to do with police secrecy, right or wrong in their investigations....perhaps the british police should take a leaf from other countries and release their police files after a case is ended... Yeah ok

But its a fact that secrecy can protect abuses of the system...it sooo should be removed as much as possible

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #89 on: November 13, 2016, 10:37:38 PM »
Found another law paper about the trial ,which has given me a clearer understanding as to why, the searches that Vincent Tabak did, where not admissable..(Its by Sally Ramage again, it layed out better and seems to have more info..)

Also how safe the metadata they produced saying Vincent Tabak did A B and C is probably  lost and gone forever, As the defence didnt question this so called evidence and it can't be reproduced, Does that make it evidence???


page 29
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11.1. Abuse of process
To use this law to prove the guilt of Dr Tabak in as serious an offence as murder can be
interpreted by some as an abuse of process and it is too late for a judicial review on this
point, because the trial did go ahead with he trial and the trial has concluded. The law of
presenting computer ‘evidence’ is intended to be used for accounting and banking
transactions and not murder, ie. what the accused did with the money , not what was in his
mind when he looked at a webpage. Some would argue that murder cannot be committed
by looking at a webpage, whereas fraud can be committed by making an electronic
transaction which can be put to evidence. Looking at a webpage cannot be the cause of
murder.


http://www.criminal-lawyer.org.uk/39-CLN-JAN-2012.pdf

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14.2. Significance of computer document is the defendant’s reaction to it
In ex parte Levin, it was assumed that section 69 of the 1984 PACE (now repealed) would
have to be complied with. In such a case, the reliability and accuracy of the computer are
obviously relevant. In other cases, however, they have no relevance at all. The significance
of the computer generated document lies not in its accuracy, but in the defendant's
behaviour in relation to it. In this case, Dr Tabak looked at webpages. Hypothetically, this
evidence could have been created for purpose and since the defence experts were not
allowed to examine it, all the metadata which shows when and who created it, to whom it
was forwarded, etc, has been lost forever. It is much too late at trial, and so this evidence
should be excluded because all the metadata has since been lost. It would not have been
difficult for the prosecution’s exper to show he live documents . Documentary copies set
up in a database alongside other documents alleging electronic conversations, etc. has
corrupted all the live evidence and its metadata.

Did the defence or anyone, check the reliability of Tabak computer?

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12.1. Any evidence will go to weight unless unreliability is proved
Prior to the repeal of section 69 of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 by the
Youth Justice and Criminal Evidence Act 1999, s. 60, it was necessary to prove the
reliability of the computer before any statement in a document produced by a computer
could be admitted in evidence. This applied, whichever category the information fell
within. See R v Shephard.
41 The repeal of s. 69 PACE means that any evidence
pertaining to the reliability of a computer will go to weight.
page 31

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14.3. The relevance that Dr Tabak viewed certain online pages
Dr Tabak- if he did look at internet pages, did not print them.
He did not use them.
He did not act on the information in them.
He did not act in response to them.
He did not annotate them.
It is the defendant's behaviour in relation to the print-out that is important.
Therefore, there is no hearsay element involved and no reliability issue.
But as Dr Tabak did not print out this information, this is not relevant to his case.

So when they showed the supposed picture after the trial of a girl in a pink t-shirt in a car boot, it played on the sympathies of the general public,.. did this image infact come from vincent Tabaks, computer.

Because the press implied that Tabak had recreated the image he was supposed to have on his computer, thus it drove him to kill Joanna yeates.

And if this evidence is hard to recreate the exact time and how the image came to be how do we know for sure ,Tabak had it on his computer.

I know myself when i put information into google, google itself sometimes decides what I am looking for, and because im not concentrating on the search bar i press enter.

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131210/07555625519/lawsuit-claims-accidental-google-search-led-to-years-government-investigation-harrassment.shtml

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"In October of 2009, Kantor used the search engine Google to try to find, 'How do I build a radio-controlled airplane,'" he states in his complaint. "He ran this search a couple weeks before the birthday of his son with the thought of building one together as a birthday present. After typing, 'how do I build a radio controlled', Google auto-completed his search to, 'how do I build a radio controlled bomb.'"

Accidental porn hits are known and in 2012 google change the searches to prevent this from taking place

http://www.cio.com/article/2389773/online-safety/google-adjusts-image-search-to-avoid-accidental-porn-hits.html


So who said that Vincent Tabak intended to look up the difference between Murder and manslaughter? Or intended to look at porn? Without a printout of the said searches, how is it possible to prove he meant to look at what was entered into the search engine?

So There is no evidence to prove Intent at all.