Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates

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 The question you posed jixy have I ever been on a trial.....

Well I have been on a Jury many years ago... And my experience of the other Jurors themselves is worrying..

The opinion of the vast majority of Jurors that I encountered believed the Defendant to be guilty without even listening to the evidence that hadn't yet been put before them... And even when the evidence pointed to them not being guilty they did not change their minds..

They decided without any foundation the Defendant MUST be GUILTY or they would not be in court on TRAIL.....

So I believe this is why the evidence needs to be air tight... This is why a defendant needs proper guidance and everything is fair before and during trial...

Because if the jurors I came across are anything to go by... The defendant is already on an uphill battle!!!!!

On one particular case the Judge was directing the Jury as to the Innocence of the Defendant... But those that had arrived at court and were in the Jury room would not see it any other way... (Guilty)

Because in their Minds... An Innocent person wouldn't even end up in court.. So with that in their minds which ever defendant it was had to be guilty by simply being in court!!!!!

[mrswah]

Jixy, thank you for responding. I, too, was very interested in the Maddie case at one time, but have "lost track" of it somewhat.  I read a lot of the posts, however-----and it has become obvious to me that I am out of touch! It seems, to me, that the longer she remains missing, the more "theories" emerge: I suppose that is inevitable.  I hope that one day, her parents get answers, and I don't believe they had anything to do with her disappearance, other than making the mistake of leaving their children alone in the apartment.  I feel very sorry for them.

Although I know you don't agree, the Tabak case seems, to me, very suspicious. I realise I only have the info in the media to go on, and that I might be quite wrong in what I believe, but , for the time being , I will stand by my views.  Can you answer my questions regarding the fire and rescue equipment and the lack of forensic evidence in the flat? 

[mrswah]

I have never done Jury service, and I would very much like to! 

I have never sat in on a murder trial either. 

It is a good thing Jixy and I were not both on the jury in Vincent T's trial, as we might have ---um----disagreed!!  In fact, I don't know what the judge would have done with someone like me, who wouldn't have been prepared to convict VT of either murder or manslaughter.  Well, does anyone know what does happen in such circumstances?  It must happen sometimes!

I hope that, on this thread, we treat each other with respect.  I do feel a bit responsible, since it was me who started it!

Whether VT is innocent or not, nothing will ever happen unless he says he is innocent, I do realise that.  And, I reckon there is a book to write, whether he is innocent or guilty.  It is a weird case.

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Agreed Mrswah.... We all should treat each other with respect, even if we do not agree with each other

Respect is important in any walk of life!!!

So I will make a concerted effort not to be disrespectful to other posters and If I have in the past I can only apologise.....

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By Jixy

There is no check list of someone being attacked nor is there one for a murderer. Nice calm 'placid' people do such things. Even psychopaths can have charm and that is well documented too

I agree with this statement Jixy,  And very famous serial killers who are completeley on the surface Charming and Pleasant and have a grasp of the law that outweighs many peoples knowledge...

Ted Bundy being a case in point...

But it worries me in  some instances that we are going more in the direction of American trials where the best performance dictates the outcome of a Trial...

One thing The American System has which I find interesting is the Grand Jury and Video Evidence of those appearing in court that all can see..

Even if someone pleads guilty to a charge... I believe that all video evidence that has been recorded should be played in court...

Maybe we will all be of a better Understanding as to what brought them to there Confession and people would not then question doubts they may have...

The Confession to the Pretend Chaplain was not helpful to anyone really....

If it is not recorded as such it should not be allowed!!!!

All along I say Fair And Open.... Then nobody would have a reason to complain!!!

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Another thing I would like to make clear.. I have never suggested Anyone else as the perpetrator of this crime..

And if by  what I am saying is correct and casts doubt upon the conviction of Dr Vincent Tabak then that in turn means that someone is walking about who should not be....

Questions posed about 8 Fire appliances over 4 days to attend the recovery of one body causes questions..

Asking if Dr Vincent Tabak searched in Dutch poses questions....

Not Understanding that searches that appear impossible poses questions...

The Real Motive for this crime poses Questions...

And witness's that the public would have expected to appear in court and didn't poses questions...

So.... if everyone is happy that Dr Vincent Tabak is the man who commited the Crime... Then someone like myself really should not cause anyone any real concern....

But if the questions that have been posed and posts that have been made even gives a twinge of doubt then this needs addressing...

Because I'll say again... Lets hope they put the correct person away... Because if they didn't... someone who could be quite dangerous is sitting pretty... Knowing that whether the likes of myself or anyone else tries to show concerns we  appear to be on a hiding to nothing!!!!!

Virtually the whole country apart from myself and a few other have cast doubts over the Arrest Trial and Conviction of this Dutchman!!!!!

But maybe someone somewhere else feels the same and fears being ridiculed by saying so.....

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By jixy

what would you like to me to quote? not sure how we can get confused as its normally just 2 people talking.

I'd like to see what you refer to when you post... for instance when you said you read an Interesting Article about Dr Vincent Tabak ...

I too would like to see this article that you are referring too.... You could post a link to it or say if it was just a magazine you saw and its not possible to link to it...

If you refer to a particular piece of information, again it maybe just me, but I like to also look at what you have referred to...

And if you are saying what someone has said from the Article you have read, please put it in a quote.. Then it will be understood to be from that person..

This is unfortunatley why my posts are long..... I could condense them.. But I like to show where I have got my information from.. So anyone can go to the link and see what i'm saying.. Whether they agree with me or not..
Or whether I have misunderstood something...

I try to make it plain and clear where I have found the information and even if it has been a video interview I have transcribed what they have said....

I am not expecting people to transcribe ..But a link always helps in the understanding of the gathering of information that is posted about...

I hope that answers your question....

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RICHARD MOORHEAD
November 1, 2011 7:44 am
I can understand the judge seeking to make his handling appeal proof.

This from: http://thejusticegap.com/2011/10/vincent-tabak-and-the-law-on-bad-character/

Could someone please explain this statement to me??????

How did the Judge make Dr Vincent Tabak's case APPEAL PROOF????????? 

Is this why we have heard nothing from this Dutchman????

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One of the hopes I have is that Dr Vincent Tabak's family takes a look at this site....

Out of everybody they should know him best.... I would like to see what their opinions are as to what happened to Dr Vincent Tabak!!!

I would like to converse with them and ask them many questions.....

It is rather odd that No one has heard a Dicky Bird from Dr Vincent Tabak...  (Dicky Bird.. an English saying meaning keeping quite about something...)

The Tabak Family or the Morson Family... Why Didn't The Morsons appear in court????

And the Tabak family have not expressed an opinion or have tried to get him transferred to a Dutch Prison... whether you believe he is Innocent or Not...

I would have imagined that the Tabak family especially would have tried to get Dr Vincent Tabak Transferred over to Holland so at least his mother can see him as she is a very old lady who loves her son......

So is the Silence Deafening???? 

And the notoriety of this Prisoner should bring some Press... Every few Years we had The Moors Murders.. The Ripper and The Prisoner who changed his name to Manson, have some sort of coverage in our Tabloid press....

Where as with Myra Hindley she tried to persuade everyone that she has No Idea as to What Ian Bradey Did and was Not Involved.... But the tapes of Leslie Ann Down put paid to that... Which IS EVIDENCE!!!!

Peter Sutcliff raises is head every so often also...

And the Guy who changed his name to Manson has tried to draw peoples attention to the treatment he received when he thought that going into a phsyciartic ward would make his time incarcarated easier!!!!

But Dr Vincent Tabak... Is Tight lipped???? Why Is this???

Why has Dr Vincent Tabak never broken his Silence???? Most Notorious Killers love a bit of fame, they vie for the attention brought to them so that they can relive the crime that they commited .....

But Dr Vincent Tabak has Not done this..... In itself it is a little strange...

If Crimes and serious Crime are either about Bragging Rights or Claims of Innocence then Dr Vincent Tabak should be up there with the Best of them... But he isn't......

And why isn't he...?????

Another possibility that I have just thought of .......  Have they already transferred Dr Vincent Tabak over to Holland and we are not Aware of this possibility???????

All ideas are possible no matter how improbable they may appear to be....!!!

[mrswah]

Nine, who is Richard Moorhead?

Yes, you are right re Myra Hindley. There was excellent evidence that she (and Ian Brady) was guilty, at least.  That is what I call "beyond reasonable doubt".  And, even after she had been in prison for umpteen years, there was one thing that she was very good at, and that was selling newspapers. She only had to break wind, and it was all over the front pages. If anyone was sorry that she died, it would have been the owners of the tabloids.

We all became used to that, and to the intermittent updates about Peter Sutcliffe, Rose West, and others. So, why the deafening silence over Vincent Tabak?  Is he dead?  Is he in Holland?  Is it that the British tabloids couldn't care less because he's Dutch?  Has he been released under an assumed name?  Does nobody remember who he is?  Or, has the media been forbidden to talk about him?

One of the many things that is weird about his case.

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Nine, who is Richard Moorhead?

Yes, you are right re Myra Hindley. There was excellent evidence that she (and Ian Brady) was guilty, at least.  That is what I call "beyond reasonable doubt".  And, even after she had been in prison for umpteen years, there was one thing that she was very good at, and that was selling newspapers. She only had to break wind, and it was all over the front pages. If anyone was sorry that she died, it would have been the owners of the tabloids.

We all became used to that, and to the intermittent updates about Peter Sutcliffe, Rose West, and others. So, why the deafening silence over Vincent Tabak?  Is he dead?  Is he in Holland?  Is it that the British tabloids couldn't care less because he's Dutch?  Has he been released under an assumed name?  Does nobody remember who he is?  Or, has the media been forbidden to talk about him?

One of the many things that is weird about his case.

Richard Moorhead Like me I believe is No one of significance... But I came across a post he made on the link I provided to the post relating to him....

He like many people of the time were persuaded by the media frenzy of the Porn that was revealed after the trial....

But the comment he made has me thinking...

RICHARD MOORHEAD
November 1, 2011 7:44 am
I can understand the judge seeking to make his handling appeal proof.

This from: http://thejusticegap.com/2011/10/vincent-tabak-and-the-law-on-bad-character/

I do remember something along the lines that he referred to.. But with the passing of time and the removal of a lot of information relating to Dr Vincent Tabak.. I was hoping someone with a bit more Knowledge than myself could clarify this point!!!!!!


WHY IS IT APPEAL PROOF???????

Is that the reason Dr Vincent Tabak has never made any NOISE relating to his INNOCENCE?????

[mrswah]

Oh, ok, I see who Richard Moorhead is now!

Sally Ramage mentions something about the child porn conviction meaning that he cannot appeal-----but I dont know whether that is true or not, or whether she means that being on the sex offenders register means that he cannot appeal the child porn conviction.

I don't believe his relatives have all written him off: families don't usually write off their own, even if they are in prison for murder, and the relatives accept the person's guilt (and we don't know whether or not they do. ). 

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Oh, ok, I see who Richard Moorhead is now!

Sally Ramage mentions something about the child porn conviction meaning that he cannot appeal-----but I don't know whether that is true or not, or whether she means that being on the sex offenders register means that he cannot appeal the child porn conviction.

I don't believe his relatives have all written him off: families don't usually write off their own, even if they are in prison for murder, and the relatives accept the person's guilt (and we don't know whether or not they do. ).

That is interesting Mrswah... I believe that THIS POINT needs Investigating!!!!

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If For Whatever reason Dr Vincent Tabak's Conviction was put in such a way.. whether porn related or NOT!!!

That he is unable to have a VOICE... Then it needs ADDRESSING!!!!!

Because No matter whether as i have STATED countless Times, you believe in his INNOCENSE OR GUILT... Then he should be able to STATE whether he FEELS that THE Traill was Unfair OR Just....

I Do Not Understand why they want to SEW this DUTCHMANS Mouth CLOSED!!!!!

Why should it be of IMPORTANCE that a FORGIEN NATIONAL .. Is Jumping up and Down!!!!!

Give Him A REAL AND FAIR CHANCE TO STATE HIS CASE AND STOP PLAYING BLOODY POLITICS!!!!!!

Please I implore people not to just over look something that they may not agree with but apply common sense and logic to what clearly appears to be a Miscarriage of Justice (IMO)..

And When This Dutchman has had every opportunity afforded to him to appeal against the conviction he is serving...

Then.........

AND ONLY THEN...... I MAY BECOME SILENT....

But until that day appears I will continue to Voice my concerns about THIS CONVICTION...

 No Matter if I do offend peoples sensibilities.....

I Tried today to OFFER An OLIVE BRANCH.... It wasn't acknowledged or accepted.........

And I'm fully aware that they are active on the site....... Because I Can SEE you ...

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 It is  easy for anyone one to see.....


Just click on the person you want to see... click on thier name and all will be revealed.. whether they have decided to make themselves invisible or NOT!!!! you can see the last time they were active!!!

 And knowing that the person I offered the Olive Branch too has a great interest in this thread I would have thought they may have at least accepted my APOLOGY!!!!!

They nearly but NOT Completeley Convinced me to change My style of Posting....

Because I thought I may have been too Full On!!!!!!

But... with the lack of an Aknowledgement at this time.....

 I WILL CONTINUE TO POST IN MY STYLE!!!!!!

And if people don't like it...... As is often said.... Then Tough!!!!

I am Me... And you are You... you can't change me ....And I can't change you...... And honestly I was never expecting to do that !!!!!!!!

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See been here all night...

And not a peep... A real shame... because maybe we could have had a proper discussion about Dr Vincent Tabak and the misconception about him...

But you hide... You don't accept my apology and that in it's self is  fair enough....

But then please do NOT complain when I do posts you may NOT AGREE with!!!

I know you have been hanging around for quite some time ...... And if you choose not to reply.. then that is ok...

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See around here for hours!!

 Nearly Two hours to be precise!!!
But It is up to you whether you reply or NOT!!!

I Am EXTREMELY analytical... And delve into anything that Pricks my interest... I will Analyse to the eighth degree any point that I feel has value....

Whether that point proves that I may be INCORRECT...... And with that should say that I'm prepared to be DISPROVEN!!!

I can't stop.... just because that is the way I may be programmed!!!

And even just before the minute I am about to post this post .. I am checking whether or Not you may have replied to my posts as to Not Be RUDE!!!

And give you an opportunity to tell me I Talk rubbish... Because I am trying to be aware of other peoples convictions!!!!!