The Paedophile Ring that encircles British Politics.

[John]

I wonder what you all make of these very serious allegations in the light of the Jimmy Savile revelations?  The link to this site was posted by Giovann di Stefano on twitter yesterday.  The article is apparently co authored by him.

Two former Prime Ministers and a Senior High Court Judge plus many other big wigs?

http://eturnkeysec3340002378c9.users.site2you.com/content/read_more/complexInfobox/site_news/infobox/elements/template/default/active_id/1809

Do you think this is a wind up?

[Andrea]

Google  labour25

[puglove]

Google  labour25

Ooh er.

[puglove]

I'm not on a crusade, but I hope the truth comes out about Freddie Starr. Did you see him today, bleating on, with a little girl, then shuffling off and getting stuck in his own gate? I can't believe that he reckons he's tee total, he's renowned for being a piss-head. When my eldest was dragged along to one of his shows, a few months ago, he was gargling with neat scotch, on stage, because he had a "sore throat." By the end of the show, he was off his face.

[Andrea]

Wonder who else will be exposed next.
Jim Davidson revkons that there is another celeb who was a prolific abuser like Savile.

[puglove]

Wonder who else will be exposed next.
Jim Davidson revkons that there is another celeb who was a prolific abuser like Savile.

Perhaps it's Jim Davidson!! Raving bigot, and as funny as gout. Chris Evans has been outed today, for getting his cock out at every opportunity. Groo. Ginger pubes. And what about John Simpson, and "Uncle Mac"? That was years ago, and the story got squashed. Unbelievable.

[Andrea]

John Simpson? Is he a journo/reporter?

[puglove]

John Simpson? Is he a journo/reporter?

He was a foreign correspondent, possibly still is. But he was a young journo at the time, and was supposed to write the obit for Derek McCullock, who did Children's Favourites, and the voice of Larry the Lamb. A one-legged, one-lunged kiddy fiddler, who was hated by all and had got away with it for years. Nothing's new.

[Andrea]

So what does John Simpson have to do with it?

[puglove]

I must just say something about the Masons. I know a few. One was BT's business partner, now croaked, and was possibly the nicest bloke I've ever met. One is a master butcher (arsehole), one is a farmer, VERY high up, fall out with him and he'll set fire to your house, one is an autistic postman, and one is a guy I used to work with, and when he was diagnosed with stomach cancer, the masons dropped him like a hot brick, when he most needed their support. BT has been asked, many times, to go along, but rightly ot wrongly, he thinks it's all a big pile of wank.

[puglove]

So what does John Simpson have to do with it?

Sorry, duck, we may have cross posted. It was John Simpson's job to write an obit for the bloke, and he found out the truth because everyone knew, and no one had a good word to say about Uncle Mac. But the BBC squashed the story. Plus ca change.

And one more thing about the Masons. Everyone I've met has shown me the handshake. It really isn't a big deal. it's a bit like being one of the Double Deckers.

[goatboy]

I wonder what you all make of these very serious allegations in the light of the Jimmy Savile revelations?  The link to this site was posted by Giovann di Stefano on twitter yesterday.  The article is apparently co authored by him.

Two former Prime Ministers and a Senior High Court Judge plus many other big wigs?

http://eturnkeysec3340002378c9.users.site2you.com/content/read_more/complexInfobox/site_news/infobox/elements/template/default/active_id/1809

Do you think this is a wind up?

Well, if GDS has anything to do with it I think we all know the answer to that! If he were to say it was -10 degrees outside I would break out the sun hats and Factor 50. We can take what a man whose considered opinion of Saddam Hussain is that he was(and I quote) "a nice man", says with a considerable pinch of salt. My God, that is such a badly written article! And the co-author who very wisely won't reveal his name claims to have written for "the British television media". Who did he write for? "Rainbow"?

The key phrase in the article is "Even if a small percentage of the below is proved ". I don't know about you, but if I was to publish an article like that I would make damn sure that every single word was true! How about proper evidence for all of this? What I am sick about here is trial by media. It is not the job of the media to put people on trial for these crimes. All it is is salacious tittle tattle which as well as dragging the names of potentially completely innocent people through the mud, brings about the even worse result of belittling people who have suffered from abuse. If there are prosecutions to be made here they should go through the normal criminal justice channels. If you so much as reveal a name before anything comes to court  this can prejudice the legal process immeasurably. Perhaps there may be an element of truth in some of what is being said, but when it is mixed in with stuff that is made up what on earth is the point in revealing it?

What confuses me about it is there are very serious allegations of child abuse mixed in with revelations that some of the people have had homosexual experiences. If Tony Blair did have a consensual encounter with a man (and there is no mention of the man in question being underage) in a toilet how is this relevant to paedophilia? Whatever your feelings on Michael Portillo (and the author inexplicably saves most of his vitriol for Portillo) if he also had a consensual homosexual encounter with another adult why should this be relevant? Homosexuality and paedophilia are not synonymous! There seem to be at times quite disturbing elements of homophobia in this article.

And don't get me started on the ludicrous notion that Thomas Hamilton's Dunblane killing spree was ordered by the Scottish paedophile mafia to silence children that would have spoken out against abuse. Couldn't it just have been that Hamilton was a lunatic with a gun?

Finally, I am pretty sure when someone like Blair and Brown is potentially to become PM the people responsible for putting him up for the leadership need to make double sure there are no skeletons in their closets, the authorities need to be absolutely sure there is no dirt on them that can surface when they come to power. I refuse to accept that  Gordon Brown would have gone for the position of PM knowing that he had committed an act like the one which he is accused of committing in this article and that this could potentially be revealed at any time. I'm pretty sure this is the reason why Portillo never became Tory leader, his homosexual/bisexual past which he has put on the record was just too unpalatable for the Tories.

So yes, I think the article is a complete load of b*llocks and I really hope libel lawyers are watching!

[Matthew Wyse]

I am no fan of di Stefano's by any means and my reaction on seeing this yesterday was the same as yours was but for one important case...that of Hollie Greig.  Hollie has Downs Syndrome and had been the subject of sexual abuse and rape for many years.  The interesting part in all of this though is that the abuse has been proven and several prominent Scottish individuals stand accused including a Sheriff from Aberdeen and other lawyers.  There is a common thread which runs through these cases which for me means that there is a lot more to be revealed in this scandal.  Jimmy Savile is only the tip of this particular iceberg!

Another point which must not be lost in all of this is that di Stefano has made his claims publicly now so it is up to those individuals whom he so publicly accuses to take action if these allegations amount to a defamation.  I have a feeling though that they will not do so which in itself raises more questions than provides answers.

[goatboy]

Goatboy, my reliabe sources have told me it was definately Pipkins and Bagpuss. He offered to do 'Charley Says' but was out bid by the director's chicken who did a better job 

[goatboy]

I am no fan of di Stefano's by any means and my reaction on seeing this yesterday was the same as yours was but for one important case...that of Hollie Greig.  Hollie has Downs Syndrome and had been the subject of sexual abuse and rape for many years.  The interesting part in all of this though is that the abuse has been proven and several prominent Scottish individuals stand accused including a Sheriff from Aberdeen and other lawyers.  There is a common thread which runs through these cases which for me means that there is a lot more to be revealed in this scandal.  Jimmy Savile is only the tip of this particular iceberg!

Another point which must not be lost in all of this is that di Stefano has made his claims publicly now so it is up to those individuals whom he so publicly accuses to take action if these allegations amount to a defamation.  I have a feeling though that they will not do so which in itself raises more questions than provides answers.

The claims have been made publicly but a nutter's blog doesn't necessary have anything like the circulation of the mainstream media. Realistically how many people have seen it? I wonder if giving it the oxygen of publicity in order to refute the allegations would be counterproductive as this would bring all of the allegations into the public domain properly to so many more people. Or has this been done already? I'm thinking of Katherine Jenkins making herself a laughing stock when denying a Beckham affair that few people knew of before.

Again, I'm not necessarily saying that there can be no truth in any of the allegations but I would prefer it if people pursued these allegations through the correct legal channels rather than a media witch hunt.