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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #255 on: October 04, 2016, 09:20:50 AM »
If you posted passages from a document which seemed inconsistent in style that's one thing. Speculating that they might exist is another. The moon might be made of green cheese, but there's no point in saying that without supporting evidence, is there?
No I'm saying if you think the moon is made of green cheese there could be mice.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #256 on: October 04, 2016, 09:29:18 AM »
Could the actual words used to support an argument be referenced please?

I have repeatedly posted the references. Read the thread or try reading the reports for yourself.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON.htm

I have read them and quoted them and they do not suggest that Harrison was browbeaten by anyone to claim he recommended something when he didn't. It's ludicrous to suggest that he would agree to do that. It's equally ridiculous to suggest that anyone 'tampered' with his reports.
THERE IS NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER TO SUPPORT THOSE CLAIMS. 

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Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #257 on: October 04, 2016, 09:34:47 AM »
I have repeatedly posted the references. Read the thread or try reading the reports for yourself.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON.htm

I have read them and quoted them and they do not suggest that Harrison was browbeaten by anyone to claim he recommended something when he didn't. It's ludicrous to suggest that he would agree to do that. It's equally ridiculous to suggest that anyone 'tampered' with his reports.
THERE IS NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER TO SUPPORT THOSE CLAIMS.

What you have cited is Harrison touching his forelock and accepting (recommendations of others) for inspections in places or locations Madeleine never lived in or went near.

What nothing you cite answers is who proposed or got approved these (additional, and non-sensical) searches.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #258 on: October 04, 2016, 09:54:33 AM »
I will not be continuing the debate on this thread because I have achieved what I set out to do. I have examined the evidence and it doesn't support ferryman's claims that there is a hidden meaning in Harrison's reports.

The 'hidden meanings' are speculation only; probably, in my opinion, invented to support his own opinions on the searches using the specialist dogs brought in on Harrison's recommendation from the UK.

The evidence is clear for all to see. In his final report Harrison says he recommended;

All accommodation occupied by the McCann family and their friends as well as any hired vehicles.
- The villa and garden occupied by Robert Murat and any vehicles he had access to.
- Areas of wasteland adjacent to Murat’s and the McCann’s apartment.
- Areas of the beach in Praia da Luz.
- A portion of the coastline east of Praia da Luz.
 
These recommendations were based on the fact that these areas had not been previously searched with the specific intent to locate Madeleine McCann’s concealed and deceased body and that the areas recommended afforded likely and obvious places to consider for concealment in such an investigation.....

The search process was then initiated and continued over the following eight days. Throughout and at all locations I acted as an observer and search adviser.....

The search utilised dogs trained to locate human remains and human blood, .....

During the searches two Police dogs were deployed and although it has been stated that no physical remains were located in the area these dogs did give indications in several areas.

However, it must be stated any such indications without any physical evidence to support them can not have any evidential value, being unconfirmed indications. Additionally I consider no inference can be drawn as to whether a human cadaver has previously been in any location without other supporting physical evidence.
 
I am currently of the opinion on the available information and statistical datasets that if death has occurred, that it is possible that Madeleine McCann’s body has been disposed into the sea at Praia da Luz
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON.htm


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Offline G-Unit

Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #259 on: October 04, 2016, 09:59:47 AM »
What you have cited is Harrison touching his forelock and accepting (recommendations of others) for inspections in places or locations Madeleine never lived in or went near.

What nothing you cite answers is who proposed or got approved these (additional, and non-sensical) searches.

OK, one last reply.

All of the above are figments of your imagination, not facts.
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« Reply #260 on: October 04, 2016, 10:05:29 AM »
OK, one last reply.

All of the above are figments of your imagination, not facts.

Everything (I state) is factually based, including that Harrison

1. In respect of additional searches prefaced his comments with it not I

2. In respect of search-recommendations unmistakably Harrison's, he uses the personal pronoun I

3. Retrospectively (after witnessing all inspections) Harrison owns Grime and his dogs only in those inspections he (Harrison) recommended.

4. After witnessing both inspections at villa and gym, Harrison issued PJ personnel with translated instructions on how to conduct inspections in buildings and vehicles.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #261 on: October 04, 2016, 11:13:12 AM »
Everything (I state) is factually based, including that Harrison

1. In respect of additional searches prefaced his comments with it not I

2. In respect of search-recommendations unmistakably Harrison's, he uses the personal pronoun I

3. Retrospectively (after witnessing all inspections) Harrison owns Grme and his dogs only in those inspections he (Harrison) recommended.

4. After witnessing both inspections at villa and gym, Harrison issued PJ personnel with translated instructions on how to conduct inspections in buildings and vehicles.

Number 1 is rubbish. 'IT' recommended;

All accommodation occupied by the McCann family and their friends as well as any hired vehicles.
- The villa and garden occupied by Robert Murat and any vehicles he had access to.
- Areas of wasteland adjacent to Murat’s and the McCann’s apartment.
- Areas of the beach in Praia da Luz.
- A portion of the coastline east of Praia da Luz.

Is he therefore denying recommending all of them, or just the one you don't like?  @)(++(*



 
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« Reply #262 on: October 04, 2016, 04:42:49 PM »
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This document follows on from the author’s two previous search documents and provides a summary of the search activity undertaken by the Policia Judiciaria (PJ) in Praia da Luz, Portugal between 20-07-07 and 10-08-07 following the authors search review and submission of his decision support documents.
 
The authors search review terms of reference were set and agreed with the PJ Algarve regional Director Guilhermino Encarnacao, they were;

So looks as if Encarnaco amended Harrison's (original) proposals. 

And indeed:

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On 25-07-07 the PJ Director decided his officers would re-search some of the areas suggested within the report. He also decided the order of their priority. These were the accommodation the McCann’s and their friends have occupied in Praia da Luz, the villa and the grounds occupied by Robert Murat, wasteland that surrounds these locations and any known vehicles the suspect, the McCanns and their friends had access to when Madeleine disappeared.

There's part of the answer to my question.

Still no mention of the gym, though ....

G-Unit can repent at leisure ....
« Last Edit: October 11, 2016, 04:11:36 PM by John »

ferryman

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Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #263 on: October 04, 2016, 05:22:10 PM »
And of course, having, now established that it was, indeed, Amaral's boss who re-shaped the schedule of inspections, the next question is why did Encarnaco (who surely knew far less about these things than Harrison) nevertheless tamper with the agenda?

Oh, and still no clue of how the inspection at the gym came about ....
« Last Edit: October 04, 2016, 05:28:38 PM by ferryman »

Offline G-Unit

Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #264 on: October 04, 2016, 07:31:55 PM »
Oh the thrill of discovery.....................or just more misreading?

The final report still has the final word. Harrison claimed he recommended searching the McCann villa and car. Unless and until he disowns that statement all else is conjecture.
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« Reply #265 on: October 04, 2016, 08:36:37 PM »
Again? Not really. It's on the thread several times.

You're referring to that (as amended by Encaranado (sp)) from Harrison's original proposal

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In complying with these terms I undertook a series of briefings and site visits. These were with GNR and PJ personnel who had been involved in the previous searches conducted the week following Madeleine McCann’s disappearance in Praia da Luz.
 
The output of this process of reconnaissance and review was a written document entitled “Madeleine McCann Search Decision Support Document” (see appendix 2) and submitted to the PJ with copies supplied to Leicestershire Police and NPIA on 23-07-07.
It recommended considering re searching:
 
- All accommodation occupied by the McCann family and their friends as well as any hired vehicles.
- The villa and garden occupied by Robert Murat and any vehicles he had access to.
- Areas of wasteland adjacent to Murat’s and the McCann’s apartment.
- Areas of the beach in Praia da Luz.
- A portion of the coastline east of Praia da Luz.
 

So, just as I have insisted from the outset, a set of proposals (made by Harrison) were amended (we now know, by Amaral's boss).

What about the inspection at the gym?

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #266 on: October 04, 2016, 09:22:34 PM »
You're referring to that (as amended by Encaranado (sp)) from Harrison's original proposal

So, just as I have insisted from the outset, a set of proposals (made by Harrison) were amended (we now know, by Amaral's boss).

What about the inspection at the gym?

Your quote doesn't say what you says it says.
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Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #267 on: October 04, 2016, 09:49:28 PM »
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On 25-07-07 the PJ Director decided his officers would re-search some of the areas suggested within the report. He also decided the order of their priority. These were the accommodation the McCanns and their friends have occupied in Praia da Luz, the villa and the grounds occupied by Robert Murat, wasteland that surrounds these locations and any known vehicles the suspect, the McCanns and their friends had access to when Madeleine disappeared.

That does.

Still no reference to the gym

Offline G-Unit

Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #268 on: October 04, 2016, 10:29:19 PM »
That does.

Still no reference to the gym

If Encarnacao decided to search the villa and the car on 25th July, explain Joao Carlos' request for a search warrant dated 1st August 2007, as a direct result of the alerts in 5A;


Processo pages 2068 and 2069

A note for the case file dated 1 August 2007 with respect to the dog search reports from 31 July and 1 August requesting the authorisation necessary to search the then-residence of the McCann family and the hire vehicle.

Faced with the new matters brought to the file through the dog search reports above, [those searches being] based on Mark Harrison's report already on file, and which [search results] support that Madeleine McCann may have died inside apartment 5A, Ocean Club, Luz, Lagos, where she was on holiday with her parents and two siblings.

The above reports state that the dogs alerted to cadaver odour and human blood inside the apartment, it already having been established that no death has occurred there previously.

In point a) [apartment 5A] of the report we can infer the locations of cadaver odour as well as the presence of traces of human blood. Also at point f) we see that cadaver odour was detected in the garden immediately adjacent to apartment 5A. Nothing was signalled in the other places.

In order to allow us to thoroughly examine this situation, which could have its conclusion through new evidence, it is requested for a voice record, legally sanctioned, specifically of two locations:

1 - Rua das Flores, no 27, Vivenda Vista do Mar, Luz Park, Luz, Lagos (the present residence of the McCann family in Luz)
2 - Hired vehicle used by the McCanns, the "Renault Scenic", number plate 59-DA-27.

Further, and of no small importance, it is also requested that a magistrate issue search warrants for [the above two locations] to enable us to recover new items/clues.

I ask that you consider the above and decide at your convenience.

Portimao, 1 August 2007
Inspector
Joao Carlos

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DOGS_INSPECTION.htm
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Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #269 on: October 04, 2016, 10:41:47 PM »
Let's see.

We know that the PJ record of the inspection at the gym was a pile of crock.

So they probably made it all up as they went along.

I take it you don't deny Harrison's report says what is says?

Piecing it together, I would say permission to inspect the McCanns's vehicle may have been, initially, denied, then Eddie alerted in the apartment and permission (for an inspection of the vehicle) was re-sought and granted.
« Last Edit: October 04, 2016, 10:48:14 PM by ferryman »