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Offline G-Unit

Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #270 on: October 04, 2016, 10:51:54 PM »
Let's see.

We know that the PJ record of the inspection at the gym was a pile of crock.

So they probably made it all up as they went along.

I take it you don't deny Harrison's report says what is says?

You obviously don't understand that investigations occur in a linear progression. Something is planned and depending on the results other possibilities arise. Hence the decision to search the McCann villa and car was taken after the alerts in 5A, not on 25th July as you mistakenly assumed by performing one of your 'interpretations'.

I know exactly what Harrison's last report says; that he recommended all the searches which took place.
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Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #271 on: October 04, 2016, 10:58:59 PM »
You obviously don't understand that investigations occur in a linear progression. Something is planned and depending on the results other possibilities arise. Hence the decision to search the McCann villa and car was taken after the alerts in 5A, not on 25th July as you mistakenly assumed by performing one of your 'interpretations'.

I know exactly what Harrison's last report says; that he recommended all the searches which took place.

You obviously will (try to) deny what the written record says.  The amendment to Harrison's proposal came from Amaral's boss.

It's there, in Harrison's report.

Piecing it together, the inspection of apartments was 31 July.

Eddie alerted. 

Amaral's boss gave prior approval (in principle) to an inspection of the McCanns' vehicle.

In the wake of the reaction in the apartment approval was formally granted for the McCanns' vehicle to be inspected.
« Last Edit: October 04, 2016, 11:16:18 PM by ferryman »

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Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #272 on: October 04, 2016, 11:11:28 PM »
You obviously will (try to) deny what the written record says.  The amendment to Harrison's proposal came from Amaral's boss.

It's there, in Harrison's report.

Wrong. Read Joao Carlos; request.
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Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #273 on: October 04, 2016, 11:16:59 PM »
Wrong. Read Joao Carlos; request.

Correct.  (that is me) See my edit above.

Offline sadie

Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #274 on: October 04, 2016, 11:19:07 PM »
If Encarnacao decided to search the villa and the car on 25th July, explain Joao Carlos' request for a search warrant dated 1st August 2007, as a direct result of the alerts in 5A;


Processo pages 2068 and 2069

A note for the case file dated 1 August 2007 with respect to the dog search reports from 31 July and 1 August requesting the authorisation necessary to search the then-residence of the McCann family and the hire vehicle.

Faced with the new matters brought to the file through the dog search reports above, [those searches being] based on Mark Harrison's report already on file, and which [search results] support that Madeleine McCann may have died inside apartment 5A, Ocean Club, Luz, Lagos, where she was on holiday with her parents and two siblings.

The above reports state that the dogs alerted to cadaver odour and human blood inside the apartment, it already having been established that no death has occurred there previously.

In point a) [apartment 5A] of the report we can infer the locations of cadaver odour as well as the presence of traces of human blood. Also at point f) we see that cadaver odour was detected in the garden immediately adjacent to apartment 5A. Nothing was signalled in the other places.


In order to allow us to thoroughly examine this situation, which could have its conclusion through new evidence, it is requested for a voice record, legally sanctioned, specifically of two locations:

1 - Rua das Flores, no 27, Vivenda Vista do Mar, Luz Park, Luz, Lagos (the present residence of the McCann family in Luz)
2 - Hired vehicle used by the McCanns, the "Renault Scenic", number plate 59-DA-27.

Further, and of no small importance, it is also requested that a magistrate issue search warrants for [the above two locations] to enable us to recover new items/clues.

I ask that you consider the above and decide at your convenience.

Portimao, 1 August 2007
Inspector
Joao Carlos

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DOGS_INSPECTION.htm

Having thoroughly analysed all the supposed alerts to Cadaver odour, we now understand more precisely what was alerted to .... and it was unlikely to be cadavar odour.  More likely the dessicated blood from a living person.


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Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #275 on: October 05, 2016, 12:00:28 AM »
If Encarnacao decided to search the villa and the car on 25th July, explain Joao Carlos' request for a search warrant dated 1st August 2007, as a direct result of the alerts in 5A;


Processo pages 2068 and 2069

A note for the case file dated 1 August 2007 with respect to the dog search reports from 31 July and 1 August requesting the authorisation necessary to search the then-residence of the McCann family and the hire vehicle.

Faced with the new matters brought to the file through the dog search reports above, [those searches being] based on Mark Harrison's report already on file, and which [search results] support that Madeleine McCann may have died inside apartment 5A, Ocean Club, Luz, Lagos, where she was on holiday with her parents and two siblings.

The above reports state that the dogs alerted to cadaver odour and human blood inside the apartment, it already having been established that no death has occurred there previously.

In point a) [apartment 5A] of the report we can infer the locations of cadaver odour as well as the presence of traces of human blood. Also at point f) we see that cadaver odour was detected in the garden immediately adjacent to apartment 5A. Nothing was signalled in the other places.

In order to allow us to thoroughly examine this situation, which could have its conclusion through new evidence, it is requested for a voice record, legally sanctioned, specifically of two locations:

1 - Rua das Flores, no 27, Vivenda Vista do Mar, Luz Park, Luz, Lagos (the present residence of the McCann family in Luz)
2 - Hired vehicle used by the McCanns, the "Renault Scenic", number plate 59-DA-27.

Further, and of no small importance, it is also requested that a magistrate issue search warrants for [the above two locations] to enable us to recover new items/clues.

I ask that you consider the above and decide at your convenience.

Portimao, 1 August 2007
Inspector
Joao Carlos

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DOGS_INSPECTION.htm

Date of Harrison's report in which records that Encarcanio (sp) (Amaral's boss) amended Harrison's original action-plan.


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2836 to 2839 - English version of pages 2771 through 2812
2771 to 2812 - Portuguese version of the report 22 August 2007 "OP TASK Madeleine

So it looks as if Encaracaio gave approval (in principle) well in advance.



2836 to 2839 - English version of pages 2771 through 2812
2771 to 2812 - Portuguese version of the report 22 August 2007 "OP TASK Madeleine
« Last Edit: October 21, 2016, 03:30:43 PM by John »

ferryman

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Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #276 on: October 05, 2016, 09:24:29 AM »
You obviously don't understand that investigations occur in a linear progression. Something is planned and depending on the results other possibilities arise. Hence the decision to search the McCann villa and car was taken after the alerts in 5A, not on 25th July as you mistakenly assumed by performing one of your 'interpretations'.

I know exactly what Harrison's last report says; that he recommended all the searches which took place.

Harrison's reports are written in the past tense.

So Harrison (after the round of these meetings/discussions he refers to) wrote his reports.

Encarnadio gave (prior) direction on the nature of the inspections that he wanted conducted, contrary to, or perhaps, more accurately, expanding on, the proposals of Harrison.

But Encarnardio gives (gave) no clue of how the inspection in the gym came about.

Any ideas?

And indeed, prefacing Harrison's third, and final, report is this:
 
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This document follows on from the author’s two previous search documents and provides a summary of the search activity undertaken by the Policia Judiciaria (PJ) in Praia da Luz, Portugal between 20-07-07 and 10-08-07 following the authors search review and submission of his decision support documents.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2016, 03:03:48 PM by John »

Offline G-Unit

Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #277 on: October 05, 2016, 10:30:21 AM »
Having thoroughly analysed all the supposed alerts to Cadaver odour, we now understand more precisely what was alerted to .... and it was unlikely to be cadavar odour.  More likely the dessicated blood from a living person.


The PJ seem to have had little experience with or knowledge of the dogs Harrison recommended. Joao Carlos asked for a search warrant because, he says, Eddie alerted to cadaver odour and Keela alerted to blood in 5A. I wonder where he got that idea from? Any layperson suggesting that they know more than the experts who knew and worked with these dogs for years is clutching at straws in my opinion.

What we should understand with this dog is that he only barks when he finds something......so again I would say that's a positive indication
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

They only give an alert when they are 'positive' that the target of the odour is present and immediately accessible. If they had any doubts they would not give an alert. EVRD gives an alert by means of a vocal bark.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_RIGATORY.htm

The benefit of this reflex is that the dog will respond whenever the target scent is present.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON.htm

« Last Edit: October 21, 2016, 03:33:36 PM by John »
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Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #278 on: October 05, 2016, 10:59:02 AM »
Harrison's reports are written in the past tense.

So Harrison (after the round of these meetings/discussions he refers to) wrote his reports.

Encarnadio gave (prior) direction on the nature of the inspections that he wanted conducted, contrary to, or perhaps, more accurately, expanding on, the proposals of Harrison.

But Encarnardio gives (gave) no clue of how the inspection in the gym came about.

Any ideas?

And indeed, prefacing Harrison's third, and final, report is this:

I find your attempts to suggest that Harrison's recommendations were overruled in some way quite distasteful and insulting actually. It's distasteful because you are now making unfounded insinuations at a new victim, and insulting to Harrison who worked with and advised the PJ before and during all the searches undertaken.

The PJ had less expertise than the British in identifying search areas and in search techniques and that's why they requested Harrison's help.

You can pore over Harrison's reports and twist them as much as you like, but nothing can be shown to have happened when the only 'evidence' quoted is the way a report was written.

The final report written by Harrison clearly states that he recommended all the searches which took place. It's time you accepted that FACT and stopped insinuating that he didn't mean what he wrote. He wrote it, he meant it, and it's time you accepted it.

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« Reply #279 on: October 05, 2016, 11:14:03 AM »
I find your attempts to suggest that Harrison's recommendations were overruled in some way quite distasteful and insulting actually. It's distasteful because you are now making unfounded insinuations at a new victim, and insulting to Harrison who worked with and advised the PJ before and during all the searches undertaken.

The PJ had less expertise than the British in identifying search areas and in search techniques and that's why they requested Harrison's help.

You can pore over Harrison's reports and twist them as much as you like, but nothing can be shown to have happened when the only 'evidence' quoted is the way a report was written.

The final report written by Harrison clearly states that he recommended all the searches which took place. It's time you accepted that FACT and stopped insinuating that he didn't mean what he wrote. He wrote it, he meant it, and it's time you accepted it.

I'm the one who has stated facts you have failed (miserably) to refute.

The document was Harrison's; the proposals in it were partially his.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2016, 03:07:09 PM by John »

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Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #280 on: October 05, 2016, 03:03:08 PM »


There is heaps (besides the two FOI questions-and-answers I, personally, hold) to question the provenance of the 'enhanced' victim recovery dog.

In respect of the investigation at PdL, Harrison (broadly) divided his judgements between carrying out the instructions of his employer (the PJ directorate) to investigate that Madeleine had been 'murdered' and a measure of objectivity sufficient to make clear (in the sum of all his reports) that he had no clue what, ultimately, happened to Madeleine.

Harrison also went as far as, presumably, he dared, in highlighting the deficiencies in deployment of the dog(s) in PdL.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #281 on: October 05, 2016, 03:13:04 PM »
I'm the one who has stated facts you have failed (miserably) to refute.

The document was Harrison's; the proposals in it were partially his.

Harrison wrote the final  report all by himself and, I feel sure, as both a professional person and a police officer was prepared to stand by what he wrote in it.
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« Reply #282 on: October 05, 2016, 03:29:57 PM »

There is heaps (besides the two FOI questions-and-answers I, personally, hold) to question the provenance of the 'enhanced' victim recovery dog.

In respect of the investigation at PdL, Harrison (broadly) divided his judgements between carrying out the instructions of his employer (the PJ directorate) to investigate that Madeleine had been 'murdered' and a measure of objectivity sufficient to make clear (in the sum of all his reports) that he had no clue what, ultimately, happened to Madeleine.

Harrison also went as far as, presumably, he dared, in highlighting the deficiencies in deployment of the dog(s) in PdL.

No matter what your opinion is, Harrison clearly believed in and recommended the use of two dogs in particular.

There is no evidence to uphold your assertion that Harrison tried to 'highlight deficiencies' by the manner in which he phrased his final report. He wrote it and as a professional person and a police officer he would be well aware that any documents he produced could ultimately be used as evidence.

Arguing in court that a written document doesn't mean what it actually says is a non-starter imo.
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« Reply #283 on: October 05, 2016, 03:32:12 PM »
Harrison wrote the final  report all by himself and, I feel sure, as both a professional person and a police officer was prepared to stand by what he wrote in it.

Not in dispute.

And? ....

Offline Angelo222

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« Reply #284 on: October 05, 2016, 03:59:59 PM »
Are you per chance trying to suggest that Harrison didn't attend those inspections which he never recommended?
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