Multiple reasons why Sheila Caffell is innocent and Jeremy Bamber is guilty

[Holly Goodhead]

I didn't say Scopio hijacked posts Joanne, I said threads ie he does not keep to the thread title and gives us chapter and verse re his views on the whole case. It's impossible to stay on thread/topic all the time and if this was the case would be a bit stilted but I thought the whole point of threads was to debate a particular issue not quote chapter and verse?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=77.msg130517#msg130517

[scipio_usmc]

I didn't say Scopio hijacked posts Joanne, I said threads ie he does not keep to the thread title and gives us chapter and verse re his views on the whole case. It's impossible to stay on thread/topic all the time and if this was the case would be a bit stilted but I thought the whole point of threads was to debate a particular issue not quote chapter and verse?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=77.msg130517#msg130517

All the parts of the case are related.

You want to look at each thing in isolation because the evidence as a whole is overwhelming.

For instance, you would like us to ignore that Jeremy claims Sheila was a crazy rage and that someone in a crazy rage would not hide the phone beforehand and go seek out a silencer for the gun she found on the table.  Indeed if she went to the gun closet instead fo grabbing the silencer she could have grabbed a gun that already had one attached alone with a scope or any of he other weapons. You paint some of her actions as cold and calculating like knocking the phone out of his hand but not shooting him on site instead marching him upstairs to kill him only to have him run back down. or you claim she took a bath after killing everyone and changed her clothes before committing suicide. 

You make excuse after excuse but if all those excuses are presented together nothing adds up or works.

This thread is about a mix anyway the mix of how there is no evidence to prove Sheila did a thing but plenty of evidence that Jeremy repeatedly lied and is guilty. It covers the whole ball of wax.   

   

[scipio_usmc]

I've got to say by far the most considered, rational and explanatory posts I have ever read on this case on either forum and the more scipio_usmc posts the more I think Jeremy did it because their is no other explanation and everything comes into place.
I'm sorry Holly but scipio_usmc doesn't hijacks posts he just explains well, the fact that both of you have differing views is good and you don't need to repeat yourself but we do need differing views, so please don't stop posting.

Indeed differing views are the way to tell which views make sense and are accurate.

Part of debate is to go back and forth otherwise it is not a debate.

[scipio_usmc]

I have neither the time or inclination to go through your chapter and verse posts.  You don't want to debate; you hijack threads and attempt, albeit unsuccessfully, to force your opinions on others.   Why?  JB has been found guilty in a court of law.  He is serving LIFE.  He has been in prison for some 28 years.  Why bother telling me I need to face reality, or rather your reality?  I have covered all the points you raise over the last two years on Blue and/or Red.  I am not in the habit of repeating myself.  Unless you can offer up something NEW I shall continue to believe JB is the victim of a MoJ.  I am merely a poster on a forum.  I have no influence whatsoever over the only people who are capable of overturning JB's conviction eg CCRC or CoA.

Some of my points were never raised so your claim you addressed them is a laugh.

That is the common claim of people who can't prove someone wrong, they claim they already did it in the past without being able to explain how.

If you want to believe in fantasy be my guest but tha tis not going to convince anyone else that your position is correct you need to produce evidence to prove it.   

[Holly Goodhead]

Some of my points were never raised so your claim you addressed them is a laugh.

That is the common claim of people who can't prove someone wrong, they claim they already did it in the past without being able to explain how.

If you want to believe in fantasy be my guest but tha tis not going to convince anyone else that your position is correct you need to produce evidence to prove it.   

Scipio_usmc

My challenge to you is start off as many threads as you like on a SINGLE point and I will debate them with you.  What I am not prepared to do is debate the whole case in one post. Plus I don't know how to split posts  @)(+(*

Please can someone PM me with detailed instructions as to how I go about splitting quotes.  Thank you.

[Outlook]

Personally I find Scipio-usmc posts very useful and clear.

A lot better than the endless rambling you get on other forums (and this forum) when people just employ sound bites and say that any single point is a lie by the police, Julie Mugford, The Media, Prince Philip, McCanns and others.

One of the big weaknesses of any forum is the "Thread" business.  The moment anyone varies from the heading, there is a scream of "hijacking the thread" and "going off point" and then the Admins delete the whole thing.  It is a good way of suppressing good ideas and debate but a total bore.

Great posts Scipio and keep them up.  If people cannot cope with more than one point at a time let them go onto "Blue."

[scipio_usmc]

Scipio_usmc

My challenge to you is start off as many threads as you like on a SINGLE point and I will debate them with you.  What I am not prepared to do is debate the whole case in one post. Plus I don't know how to split posts  @)(+(*

Please can someone PM me with detailed instructions as to how I go about splitting quotes.  Thank you.

All you have to do to split up a quote is to make sure each part of the quote starts with the [quote author...] and ends with the [/quote]

Copy what is in the parenthesis and paste it before each quote you want to be independent and past [/quote] at the end of the quote.

[Lindyhop]

Another thumbs up for Scipio's excellent posts 

[scipio_usmc]

Personally I find Scipio-usmc posts very useful and clear.

A lot better than the endless rambling you get on other forums (and this forum) when people just employ sound bites and say that any single point is a lie by the police, Julie Mugford, The Media, Prince Philip, McCanns and others.

One of the big weaknesses of any forum is the "Thread" business.  The moment anyone varies from the heading, there is a scream of "hijacking the thread" and "going off point" and then the Admins delete the whole thing.  It is a good way of suppressing good ideas and debate but a total bore.

Great posts Scipio and keep them up.  If people cannot cope with more than one point at a time let them go onto "Blue."

This particular thread is about everything as a whole, so I discussed everything as a whole.  I actually did not bring up some evidence that was already discussed and is standard fare like Julie's damaging testimony or even to go into Sheila being shot with the suppressor therefore unable to have killed herself.

I try to stay on point on threads but sometimes other issues not raised yet are relevant and need to be raised because of the relation.  You can't look at things that are related in isolation or it skews the result.

You also must consider all possibilities and see how they play out to be able to evaluate which ones make sense and are likely or unlikely. 

[puglove]

Holly, but I meant to pursue this the other day - the lack of Sheila's prints on the gun, when she apparently used it both as a gun AND a club?

Thanking you!     

[John]

4. Only one fingerprint on the rifle evidencing the fact that Sheila did not wield it or fire it.  Had she shot herself twice as alleged by some her thumbprint would have been on the trigger since she would have to had pushed it rather than pulled it with her index finger.

That revelation alone negates any argument that she committed suicide.

[puglove]

4. Only one fingerprint on the rifle evidencing the fact that Sheila did not wield it or fire it.  Had she shot herself twice as alleged by some her thumbprint would have been on the trigger since she would have to had pushed it rather than pulled it with her index finger.

That revelation alone negates any argument that she committed suicide.

Case solved - lunchtime!!   

(I won't have the sprouts, thanks.)

[John]

Had Sheila used the rifle as Bamber suggests her prints would have been all over it.  In fact, the almost absence of fingerprints on the rifle indicates that it was cleaned by the killer in an attempt to disguise what really occurred.

[puglove]

One more question, Holl. According to you, Sheila used the gun as a weapon and a club. Her prints would have been smeared all over that gun. Stock, barrel, everywhere. And, of course, on the trigger. But, nothing.

So?

[Holly Goodhead]

One more question, Holl. According to you, Sheila used the gun as a weapon and a club. Her prints would have been smeared all over that gun. Stock, barrel, everywhere. And, of course, on the trigger. But, nothing.

So?

According to Chris Bewes and Mick Gradwell (see titles/background on clip) they are of the opinion that EP moved the gun and restaged it.  Both think JB guilty.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPRd912xv9M  (see @ 6.30 min in)

I think anything from the soc is hopelessly unreliable due to a botched investigation as per EP's admission.

As I understand it one print from each of SC and JB was found on the gun.