Was Madeleine's height a factor?

[Brietta]

I had a height chart when my children were growing ... perhaps Madeleine, Sean and Amelie had one in their bedrooms too? allowing their parents to be precise about their respective heights.

My impression from looking at her photographs, particularly stills from video of her entering the plane on their way to Portugal, is that Madeleine was a diminutive little girl

[slartibartfast]

You think !
 
I prefer the parents assessment and the official files on this one.

As for the pyjama size.  Crikey, my kids almost drowned in theirs when they were new.  They always had to have ankle close cuffed ones or else they would have been tripping over them.

I think from all the evidence, we can fairly safely estimate Madeleines eye level as about [ 65cm <<<Sorry!] 85 cm above the floor.

Non integrated Kitchen units  match the height of standard cookers etc and the worktops are pretty close to 90cm above the floor

Madeleine could NOT see what was on the counter.  She could not see the cutting implements, so they were no danger

Have you ever heard of tip toes.

[sadie]

Have you ever heard of tip toes.

Even on tip toes, I doubt she would see on to the counter ... and why should she tip toe if she didn't know anything was there ?

Are you suggesting that she would be searching the place?   Why ?

If hungry, the place to raid was the fridge.

[Robittybob1]

You think !
 
I prefer the parents assessment and the official files on this one.

As for the pyjama size.  Crikey, my kids almost drowned in theirs when they were new.  They always had to have ankle close cuffed ones or else they would have been tripping over them.

I think from all the evidence, we can fairly safely estimate Madeleines eye level as about [ 65cm <<<Sorry!] 85 cm above the floor.

Non integrated Kitchen units  match the height of standard cookers etc and the worktops are pretty close to 90cm above the floor

Madeleine could NOT see what was on the counter.  She could not see the cutting implements, so they were no danger

Shining in Luz said "Madeleine was tall enough and heavy enough (source RCPCH) to open the shutter and the window.  It does not mean she did.  It means she had the physical capability." 
Does any one know how possible this was?
Could Madeleine open the shutters herself?

[sadie]

Shining in Luz said "Madeleine was tall enough and heavy enough (source RCPCH) to open the shutter and the window.  It does not mean she did.  It means she had the physical capability." 
Does any one know how possible this was?
Could Madeleine open the shutters herself?

How does Shining know?

I think he was using a US weight chart and US children are BIG

Also in the early days there was much talk in forum land that Madeleine was rather small for her age.  Some linked it to her eye defect.  Dunno if there is any truth in this

Kate thought that she was 90cm tall [as against 100cm tall average IIRC.]  She is fine boned, somewhat like her Mum, re limbs ... but has a heavier looking trunk than her Mum IMO

[Robittybob1]

How does Shining know?

I think he was using a US weight chart and US children are BIG

Also in the early days there was much talk in forum land that Madeleine was rather small for her age.  Some linked it to her eye defect.  Dunno if there is any truth in this

Kate thought that she was 90cm tall [as against 100cm tall average IIRC.]  She is fine boned, somewhat like her Mum, re limbs ... but has a heavier looking trunk than her Mum IMO

I found one quote that made it sound like those metal shutters were dangerous and difficult to use.  For there were ways to release the locking mechanism and reapplying the lock otherwise it could just fall down rapidly.

[Robittybob1]

His workmate Mario is helpful.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARIO_MOREIRA.htm

When you read what Mario says I'd say it is unlikely Madeleine operated the shutters on her own. " When asked, he said that the damage to the blinds was centred on the pull-handle, limiting their opening. He says that this kind of damage is quite frequent, given the fact of the need for some initial force to raise the shutter, sometimes associated with a lack of knowledge of the mechanism on the part of some of the tourists, who keep applying force, contrary to what is required, and which results in the violent destruction of the respective handles." They were difficult to operate.
In fact when you think about it sounds possible that the pull chord could become a health and safety issue. Could the shutter pull handle cause strangulation in the process of "violent destruction of the respective handles"?
Sounds unlikely for a little girl to attempt this.

[John]

His workmate Mario is helpful.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARIO_MOREIRA.htm

When you read what Mario says I'd say it is unlikely Madeleine operated the shutters on her own. " When asked, he said that the damage to the blinds was centred on the pull-handle, limiting their opening. He says that this kind of damage is quite frequent, given the fact of the need for some initial force to raise the shutter, sometimes associated with a lack of knowledge of the mechanism on the part of some of the tourists, who keep applying force, contrary to what is required, and which results in the violent destruction of the respective handles." They were difficult to operate.
In fact when you think about it sounds possible that the pull chord could become a health and safety issue. Could the shutter pull handle cause strangulation in the process of "violent destruction of the respective handles"?
Sounds unlikely for a little girl to attempt this.

The mechanism is pretty easy to use.  To open the shutter all you do is pull the cord down.

[Robittybob1]

The mechanism is pretty easy to use.  To open the shutter all you do is pull the cord down.

That simple action hasn't actually raised the shutters.

[slartibartfast]

Madeleine’s Height.



http://images.step2.com/media/pdfs/766600_info.pdf

First Picture Madeleine
Second Picture General Picture of Playhouse
Third Link Manufacturers Specification (different door design but appears to be same house)
From information in PDF

Lowest Point - 94.6
Calculated Height of Door 120cm (10% margin of error takes that to 108cm)
From first picture Madeleine just short of Door Height.

Madeleine being 100cm tall is a low estimate based on this evidence.

[Mr Gray]

Madeleine’s Height.



http://images.step2.com/media/pdfs/766600_info.pdf

First Picture Madeleine
Second Picture General Picture of Playhouse
Third Link Manufacturers Specification (different door design but appears to be same house)
From information in PDF

Lowest Point - 94.6
Calculated Height of Door 120cm (10% margin of error takes that to 108cm)
From first picture Madeleine just short of Door Height.

Madeleine being 100cm tall is a low estimate based on this evidence.

Did you notice the step under the door....any calculation would depend on whether Maddie was or was not standing on the step...  also was Maddie stepping so her heel was off the ground........too many variables for an accurate assessment

[slartibartfast]

Did you notice the step under the door....any calculation would depend on whether Maddie was or was not standing on the step...  also was Maddie stepping so her heel was off the ground........too many variables for an accurate assessment

Already given you 20cm, how much more do you want?

[Mr Gray]

Already given you 20cm, how much more do you want?

so she could be 1.20.......as I said too many variables for an accurate estimate

[Mr Gray]

Madeleine’s Height.



http://images.step2.com/media/pdfs/766600_info.pdf

First Picture Madeleine
Second Picture General Picture of Playhouse
Third Link Manufacturers Specification (different door design but appears to be same house)
From information in PDF

Lowest Point - 94.6
Calculated Height of Door 120cm (10% margin of error takes that to 108cm)
From first picture Madeleine just short of Door Height.

Madeleine being 100cm tall is a low estimate based on this evidence.

is this your opinion or are you stating it as fact

[slartibartfast]

is this your opinion or are you stating it as fact

Based on the evidence I have presented, a fact.