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Offline John

Re: What advantage was achieved by lying about the Huelva trip?
« Reply #30 on: January 15, 2017, 02:23:34 PM »
Simple question - does telling a lie once to get out of doing something ("pulling a sickie") mean that one is not to be trusted to be telling the truth about anything at all, for the rest of one's life?

Certainly not but in the circumstances revealed a propensity to lie when the need presented itself.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline John

Re: What advantage was achieved by lying about the Huelva trip?
« Reply #31 on: January 15, 2017, 02:24:55 PM »
What other explanation have you  got?  I notice you didn't respond to my question above.  You think they should have held a press conference to reveal details of the case and break judicial secrecy, correct?  What advantage would that have conferred on them, in your opinion?

 &%+((£  let's see...honesty?
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline faithlilly

Re: What advantage was achieved by lying about the Huelva trip?
« Reply #32 on: January 15, 2017, 02:26:57 PM »
Another question:
this supposedly monstrous lie the McCanns told (that they later came clean about anyway) - who or what did it harm?   Lies often have harmful or hurtful consequences (unless they are white lies) so what were they in this case?  The only harmful consequence I can see is that it (the lie) has been used as ammunition against the McCanns for years, since it was first revealed in Kate's book.

It had neither harmful or hurtful consequences but does give us an insight into the lengths the McCanns will go to to hide something which might be injurious to them and their reputation.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline John

Re: What advantage was achieved by lying about the Huelva trip?
« Reply #33 on: January 15, 2017, 02:27:43 PM »
Another question:
this supposedly monstrous lie the McCanns told (that they later came clean about anyway) - who or what did it harm?   Lies often have harmful or hurtful consequences (unless they are white lies) so what were they in this case?  The only harmful consequence I can see is that it (the lie) has been used as ammunition against the McCanns for years, since it was first revealed in Kate's book.

If she had nothing to hide then why didn't she cooperate fully when being interrogated instead of pulling the 'no comment' stunt?
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Benice

Re: What advantage was achieved by lying about the Huelva trip?
« Reply #34 on: January 15, 2017, 02:48:47 PM »
This is a public forum and therefore I will reply to any post I chose.

As to your point even Kate admits that breaking judicial secrecy was a secondary consideration to keeping the public in the dark.

'We didn’t feel good about this at all, but even if the judicial secrecy law had not prevented us from giving the main reason, can you imagine what would have happened if we’d announced to the journalists heading for Huelva that the police were coming to do some forensic work in our villa? We were not to know our excuse would prove to be no more than a temporary holding measure. If we had, we wouldn’t have bothered trying to keep the scurrilous headlines at bay.'


So you think Kate and Gerry should have willingly assisted the press to carry on with the vicious smear campaign against them - by handing them ammunition on a plate.    Really?

They were well aware of how the press had behaved - and did not want to aid and abet them in producing even more 'scurrilous' headlines - and then added to that there was the risk of being accused of breaking the secrecy laws.

So they exaggerated Gerry's tummy upset and pulled a sickie rather than throw themselves to the wolves (the press) and also leave themselves open to accusations of breaking the law.  Perfectly understandable IMO.

Anyone knowing the reasons for that white lie are really scraping the bottom of the barrel  if they then try to use it as proof that the McCanns are massive liars.    Nitpicking on a major scale IMO.

It seems that the only people who 'suffered' from that lie were the press who had to wait a bit longer before they printed 'scurrilous' headlines.    Poor dears.

IMO




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Offline faithlilly

Re: What advantage was achieved by lying about the Huelva trip?
« Reply #35 on: January 15, 2017, 02:56:14 PM »

So you think Kate and Gerry should have willingly assisted the press to carry on with the vicious smear campaign against them - by handing them ammunition on a plate.    Really?

They were well aware of how the press had behaved - and did not want to aid and abet them in producing even more 'scurrilous' headlines - and then added to that there was the risk of being accused of breaking the secrecy laws.

So they exaggerated Gerry's tummy upset and pulled a sickie rather than throw themselves to the wolves (the press) and also leave themselves open to accusations of breaking the law.  Perfectly understandable IMO.

Anyone knowing the reasons for that white lie are really scraping the bottom of the barrel  if they then try to use it as proof that the McCanns are massive liars.    Nitpicking on a major scale IMO.

It seems that the only people who 'suffered' from that lie were the press who had to wait a bit longer before they printed 'scurrilous' headlines.    Poor dears.

IMO

The McCanns didn't need to say anything other than the trip was postponed until the next day. They had no duty to give the press a reason.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Benice

Re: What advantage was achieved by lying about the Huelva trip?
« Reply #36 on: January 15, 2017, 03:02:51 PM »
The McCanns didn't need to say anything other than the trip was postponed until the next day. They had no duty to give the press a reason.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.   

Quote from Kate

We were not to know our excuse would prove to be no more than a temporary holding measure. If we had, we wouldn’t have bothered trying to keep the scurrilous headlines at bay.'
Unquote
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline faithlilly

Re: What advantage was achieved by lying about the Huelva trip?
« Reply #37 on: January 15, 2017, 03:09:48 PM »
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.   

Quote from Kate

We were not to know our excuse would prove to be no more than a temporary holding measure. If we had, we wouldn’t have bothered trying to keep the scurrilous headlines at bay.'
Unquote

Nothing to do with hindsight. They told a lie to deflect attention away from what was really happening when they could just have said nothing.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline slartibartfast

Re: What advantage was achieved by lying about the Huelva trip?
« Reply #38 on: January 15, 2017, 03:51:57 PM »
Simple question (revised) - does telling a lie once to get out of doing something mean that one is not to be trusted to be telling the truth about anything at all, for the rest of one's life?

It's an indication of an individual's moral compass.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline slartibartfast

Re: What advantage was achieved by lying about the Huelva trip?
« Reply #39 on: January 15, 2017, 03:54:33 PM »
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.   

Quote from Kate

We were not to know our excuse would prove to be no more than a temporary holding measure. If we had, we wouldn’t have bothered trying to keep the scurrilous headlines at bay.'
Unquote

So if they had known their lies wouldn't work they wouldn't have lied.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Brietta

Re: What advantage was achieved by lying about the Huelva trip?
« Reply #40 on: January 15, 2017, 04:06:41 PM »
It's an indication of an individual's moral compass.

Was it an indictable offence which might have left them open to criminal charges being brought against them?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline slartibartfast

Re: What advantage was achieved by lying about the Huelva trip?
« Reply #41 on: January 15, 2017, 04:13:14 PM »
Was it an indictable offence which might have left them open to criminal charges being brought against them?

What has that got to do with my post?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: What advantage was achieved by lying about the Huelva trip?
« Reply #42 on: January 15, 2017, 04:15:03 PM »
Simple question - does telling a lie once to get out of doing something ("pulling a sickie") mean that one is not to be trusted to be telling the truth about anything at all, for the rest of one's life?
It is harsh but yes.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: What advantage was achieved by lying about the Huelva trip?
« Reply #43 on: January 15, 2017, 04:16:44 PM »
And?  They told a white lie (which Kate later comes clean about in her book) and from this we can conclude...?
She isn't quite an angel but she is pretty damn honest.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: What advantage was achieved by lying about the Huelva trip?
« Reply #44 on: January 15, 2017, 04:18:19 PM »
Simple question (revised) - does telling a lie once to get out of doing something mean that one is not to be trusted to be telling the truth about anything at all, for the rest of one's life?
I think you would always be under increased suspicion.
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