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Offline faithlilly

Re: What advantage was achieved by lying about the Huelva trip?
« Reply #60 on: January 15, 2017, 05:13:51 PM »
Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't the Huelva trip and the associated circumstances one of the hot topics prior to the release of Kate's book?

It was indeed.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Robittybob1

Re: What advantage was achieved by lying about the Huelva trip?
« Reply #61 on: January 15, 2017, 05:15:45 PM »
Gerry's blog from 2nd of August.


Day 91 - 02/08/2007   
Thursday

 Today was a bit of a write off for me as I was laid low with a probable viral illness which meant I could not stray too far from the house! I did manage to get through some e-mails, telephone calls and some paperwork. Feeling a bit better tonight so hopefully be back to normal tomorrow. Kate did manage to put up some of the new Madeleine posters in shops around Praia da Luz.. It is noticably busier, now that we are in August, with lots of tourists many of whom are from Portugal.
 
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/INSPECTION_SITES.htm
The next day Gerry writes "It is exactly 3 months since Madeleine was abducted. Kate and I had an early start as we drove to Huelva, 50Km over the border from Portugal in Southern Spain. We were meant to go yesterday but had to cancel because I was ill.
http://madeleinemccann.org/blog/2014/04/20/gerrys-blogs-days-59-120-julaug-2007/


And that just so happened to be the day they did the forensic examination of their villa.    Did they need to be there for that? 
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: What advantage was achieved by lying about the Huelva trip?
« Reply #62 on: January 15, 2017, 05:18:28 PM »
If she had nothing to hide then why didn't she cooperate fully when being interrogated instead of pulling the 'no comment' stunt?

She evidently was advised by her lawyer and did exactly the right thing

Offline Robittybob1

Re: What advantage was achieved by lying about the Huelva trip?
« Reply #63 on: January 15, 2017, 05:31:44 PM »
She evidently was advised by her lawyer and did exactly the right thing
Why was that the right thing to do?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: What advantage was achieved by lying about the Huelva trip?
« Reply #64 on: January 15, 2017, 05:39:53 PM »
Why was that the right thing to do?

To understand why you first need to ask why her Portuguese lawyer who understood the system advised her not to answer
Answer that question then we can move forward

Alfie

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Re: What advantage was achieved by lying about the Huelva trip?
« Reply #65 on: January 15, 2017, 05:40:58 PM »
Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't the Huelva trip and the associated circumstances one of the hot topics prior to the release of Kate's book?
Hot topic where exactly?  I do recall it being suggested online at the time that the McCanns went to Huelva to dispose of the body, is that what you mean?

Alfie

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Re: What advantage was achieved by lying about the Huelva trip?
« Reply #66 on: January 15, 2017, 05:44:58 PM »
Did I mention a pattern of deliberate deceptions? They told a lie in order to hide from the public what was really happening within the investigation. We have no reason to believe they wouldn't do it again if the need arose.
We have no reason to believe that they have told any other lies however, so it must have been a one off  8(>((

Offline faithlilly

Re: What advantage was achieved by lying about the Huelva trip?
« Reply #67 on: January 15, 2017, 05:46:29 PM »
We have no reason to believe that they have told any other lies however, so it must have been a one off  8(>((

How do we know? We didn't know about this lie until the release of the files.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Robittybob1

Re: What advantage was achieved by lying about the Huelva trip?
« Reply #68 on: January 15, 2017, 05:48:29 PM »
Hot topic where exactly?  I do recall it being suggested online at the time that the McCanns went to Huelva to dispose of the body, is that what you mean?
The trip was delayed by just one day or was it more?  So they now dispose of a body during that delayed trip.  That is a remarkable story for it must have meant that the body had been transferred to another vehicle without the PJ knowing. When did they transfer it?  Was it that morning?  Amazing this is getting exciting!
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: What advantage was achieved by lying about the Huelva trip?
« Reply #69 on: January 15, 2017, 05:49:02 PM »
The McCanns lie was nothing compared to amaral
Yet his is constantly excused on this forum

Alfie

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Re: What advantage was achieved by lying about the Huelva trip?
« Reply #70 on: January 15, 2017, 05:53:20 PM »
How do we know? We didn't know about this lie until the release of the files.
There is no reason (files or no files) to believe they lied about anything else.  No evidence presented of lies.  You can choose to believe they have lied about other things but you have no evidence of it - it's simply pure speculation on your part.  That's why this Huelva trip thing is so special to you.  It's your once proven "McLie" - what a whopper it was, eh? HUGE!!!  Think of the mountains you can make from it.

Offline faithlilly

Re: What advantage was achieved by lying about the Huelva trip?
« Reply #71 on: January 15, 2017, 06:06:42 PM »
There is no reason (files or no files) to believe they lied about anything else.  No evidence presented of lies.  You can choose to believe they have lied about other things but you have no evidence of it - it's simply pure speculation on your part.  That's why this Huelva trip thing is so special to you.  It's your once proven "McLie" - what a whopper it was, eh? HUGE!!!  Think of the mountains you can make from it.

And, with their previous dishonesty in mind, we have every reason to believe that if the need arose they would lie again  to protect themselves.

Alfie it is not the person who points out the the lie but the person who lies in the first place who deserves your disdain.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Alfie

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Re: What advantage was achieved by lying about the Huelva trip?
« Reply #72 on: January 15, 2017, 06:22:32 PM »
And, with their previous dishonesty in mind, we have every reason to believe that if the need arose they would lie again  to protect themselves.

Alfie it is not the person who points out the the lie but the person who lies in the first place who deserves your disdain.
I have absolutely no disdain for someone who tells a harmless white lie, even if it is to protect themselves from sensational headlines in the press.  We've all told harmless white lies from time to time.  I do however have disdain for those who use this harmless white lie as evidence of bad character, and to suggest that it indicates a propensity to lie and deceive in order to harm and hurt.  That in my opinion is simply malicious, making something out of nothing in order to hurt and harm others.
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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: What advantage was achieved by lying about the Huelva trip?
« Reply #73 on: January 15, 2017, 06:25:40 PM »
The trip was delayed by just one day or was it more?  So they now dispose of a body during that delayed trip.  That is a remarkable story for it must have meant that the body had been transferred to another vehicle without the PJ knowing. When did they transfer it?  Was it that morning?  Amazing this is getting exciting!
Be careful where you are going on this, Robbity.  The McCanns had other people in their car on that trip so body disposal comes under the heading of scurrilous rumour and libel.

The fact is many scurrilous rumours circulated at the time.

IMO, the Huelva entry in Kate's book looks and smells like PR, which, unfortunately I have seen and smelled far too often in my career.

I was simply trying to clarify if Kate's book was the first time this tale had been told.  Clearly it wasn't.  Anyone with a brain and access to the PJ Files would have been able to match up the intended date of the trip to Huelva and the search of the villa.

The one and only issue I can see is why they chose to manage the villa search in the manner they did.  This thread has covered a number of options as to why they picked the approach that was used.  Since I have no evidence to offer on this, I can only offer my opinion, and IMO the approach selected was a poor choice.

Do not stretch what may or may not have been a poor decision into a scurrilous rumour such as body disposal.
What's up, old man?

Offline Brietta

Re: What advantage was achieved by lying about the Huelva trip?
« Reply #74 on: January 15, 2017, 06:51:14 PM »
And, with their previous dishonesty in mind, we have every reason to believe that if the need arose they would lie again  to protect themselves.

Alfie it is not the person who points out the the lie but the person who lies in the first place who deserves your disdain.

So they should have called a press conference to explain why they were not going to Huelva?  Hmmm  &%+((£ ... yeah, I can see that would have gone down really well with the Policia Judiciaria.
I think one of the party being ill was all the explanation required.
I find it risible that it has been found necessary to latch onto such a non-event to find something ... anything ... with which to castigate the McCanns.  Very sad really.

Please note
  • 2nd August scheduled trip to Huelva cancelled
  • 2nd August Gerry records in his blog being unwell
Which rather negates any suggestion his illness might have been a damage limitation exercise.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....