What advantage was achieved by lying about the Huelva trip?

[Brietta]

Then if everything was as innocent as you intimate  why didn't the McCanns simply say that that was why they cancelled the trip?

                                   £4%4£   Secrecy laws 

[faithlilly]

I replied to what you said. Nor have I lifted a word of it for the purpose of 'misrepresenting' what you said.  I have however refuted what you posted for the simple reasons ...

• I disagreed with what you posted
• and I found the content distasteful and not couched in language I would choose to replicate

So not a parrot of what you said or even a paraphrase ... merely a reply which repudiates.  It is known in some circles by the word "debate".

Go on though, surprise me with a cite for "the McCanns had been told that the PJ were coming to carry out some forensics on their villa".

I will not react to your unnecessary slights Brietta, we are, after all, grown-ups but simply leave this with you from Kate's book.

'That morning Gerry and I, along with Jon and a colleague, were preparing to drive to Huelva in Spain to put up posters of Madeleine. Jon was intending to do some filming and several of the British journalists were going to join us there, on the give-and-take principle: it would give them a story centred on Madeleine, rather than on us, and this in turn would publicize our efforts. As I was dropping Sean and Amelie off at Toddler Club, I had a phone call from Gerry. The police wanted to come over at 10am. Something to do with forensics, they’d said. Great timing. And forensics? What was that all about?'

So from Kate's own pen the McCann party were preparing that morning to go to Huelva (it appears Gerry's stomach wasn't bothering him too much at that point). It was only after the police had told them they were coming to do forensics their plans changed.

So it would appear that Gerry's stomach was never the reason they cancelled the trip but was simply used to mislead the journalists.

Of course they didn't owe the journalists an explanation and could simply have said that the trip was cancelled.

[faithlilly]

                                   £4%4£   Secrecy laws

Then they could have simply said the trip was cancelled without giving an explanation. Wouldn't that have been better than lying?

[Robittybob1]

I replied to what you said. Nor have I lifted a word of it for the purpose of 'misrepresenting' what you said.  I have however refuted what you posted for the simple reasons ...

• I disagreed with what you posted
• and I found the content distasteful and not couched in language I would choose to replicate

So not a parrot of what you said or even a paraphrase ... merely a reply which repudiates.  It is known in some circles by the word "debate".

Go on though, surprise me with a cite for "the McCanns had been told that the PJ were coming to carry out some forensics on their villa".

Kate says Gerry told her the PJ were coming at 10:00 so we assume someone told Gerry for they didn't arrive till 6:00 PM.

That gave Kate plenty of time to put clothes in the washing machine.  Why did they get so much warning?
Who warned them?

[Brietta]

I will not react to your unnecessary slights Brietta, we are, after all, grown-ups but simply leave this with you from Kate's book.

'That morning Gerry and I, along with Jon and a colleague, were preparing to drive to Huelva in Spain to put up posters of Madeleine. Jon was intending to do some filming and several of the British journalists were going to join us there, on the give-and-take principle: it would give them a story centred on Madeleine, rather than on us, and this in turn would publicize our efforts. As I was dropping Sean and Amelie off at Toddler Club, I had a phone call from Gerry. The police wanted to come over at 10am. Something to do with forensics, they’d said. Great timing. And forensics? What was that all about?'

So from Kate's own pen the McCann party were preparing that morning to go to Huelva (it appears Gerry's stomach wasn't bothering him too much at that point). It was only after the police had told them they were coming to do forensics their plans changed.

So it would appear that Gerry's stomach was never the reason they cancelled the trip but was simply used to mislead the journalists.

Of course they didn't owe the journalists an explanation and could simply have said that the trip was cancelled.

Was investigative journalism really that dead in 2007?  No-one would have enquired the reason why they cancelled a trip one day only to embark on it the following day?

Thank you for the cite.

Which confirms that the McCanns knew nothing about why the police wished to see them precipitately. They did not view if as an investigation into themselves but still under the delusion they were concentrating on looking for Madeleine.  Their happiness to cooperate has been noted.
Definitely more important than their Huelva trip and definitely covered by judicial secrecy however you may feel about full disclosure of the investigation.

Never heard the phrase "killing two birds with one stone"?  Gerry's illness was expedient both from the arrangement with the police and it not being a good idea to be in transit while unwell.

[Brietta]

Then they could have simply said the trip was cancelled without giving an explanation. Wouldn't that have been better than lying?

As I have said before ... not keeping journalists informed is not an indictable offence ... breaking secrecy laws is.  Any journalist worth his or her salt would immediately go into overdrive at the lack of explanation for a cancelled trip which was rescheduled for the following day.

[Robittybob1]

If you play the video on the link from around 35m I hope it will be clearer to you.
What detail are you seeing as different?

I was getting mixed up with a different car they had when they got back to England.  If there were more in the car it is possible they filmed it from another vehicle.
Not sure how they organised that though.
Jon Corner seems to say there was the 4th person in that car.  In the back of the car was "Me and my cameraman" https://youtu.be/Zqoj-pfBUnY?t=2258

[misty]

I was getting mixed up with a different car they had when they got back to England.  If there were more in the car it is possible they filmed it from another vehicle.
Not sure how they organised that though.
Jon Corner seems to say there was the 4th person in that car.  In the back of the car was "Me and my cameraman" https://youtu.be/Zqoj-pfBUnY?t=2258

See post #92. Journalists have cameras as well.

[Robittybob1]

See post #92. Journalists have cameras as well.

I think it is just another Renault Scenic that passed them and they filmed it.  What I noticed was the Scenic back in PDL had Find Madeleine stickers on the windows and that one doesn't.

[misty]

I think it is just another Renault Scenic that passed them and they filmed it.  What I noticed was the Scenic back in PDL had Find Madeleine stickers on the windows and this one doesn't.

You cannot be serious.

ETA The stickers were only in the Scenic when Eddie performed his routine; they'd been removed by the time Keela did her examination.

[Robittybob1]

You cannot be serious.

ETA The stickers were only in the Scenic when Eddie performed his routine; they'd been removed by the time Keela did her examination.

You can't be serious, didn't I get the dates right?  The trip to Huelva was before Keela and Eddie go through the Scenic on the 6th or the 7th August.
Check on Villa 2nd August
Trip to Huelva 3rd August
Car Renault Scenic taken for Eddie's check: "On 6 August they (the PJ) took the Renault Scenic the couple had hired 24 days after Madeleine went missing." Wikipedia
Keela's check date. "and another sniffer dog inspection that began at 03.49 on 7th August by the dog KEELA, which detected human blood remains, the following results were noted:

03.53: the dog "marked" a zone on the right inferior side of the inside of the luggage compartment of the vehicle;

04.11: the dog "marked" the compartment on the driver's side, which was seen to contain the vehicle's key, of a plastic electronic card type, with a key ring from the Budget car rental agency.

With the aim of confirming whether the dog had effectively "marked" the vehicle's key, which was inside the compartment on the driver's side, at 04.13 the key in question was removed from the vehicle and hidden in a place far from the vehicle on the third floor of the underground car park.

At about 04.14 it was observed that the dog "marked" the area of a box containing sand from the Fire Service, underneath which, effectively, the vehicle's key had been hidden."
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DOGS_INSPECTION.htm


I can hardly believe it that Martin Grimes can write a report that does not have any dates and times on it.

[Alfie]

this thread is just another's example of what the know-it-alls think the McCanns should have done in order not to receive endless criticism from the same know-it-alls.  The reality is, if they'd done what the know-it-alls say they should have done, they would have been criticised for lying by omission, or something else, for sure.

[Robittybob1]

You cannot be serious.

ETA The stickers were only in the Scenic when Eddie performed his routine; they'd been removed by the time Keela did her examination.

So that was the day after Eddie did his check.  Maybe the PJ took them off the windows so they could see more clearly into the booth while Keela was searching the interior..

[Lace]

Kate says Gerry told her the PJ were coming at 10:00 so we assume someone told Gerry for they didn't arrive till 6:00 PM.

That gave Kate plenty of time to put clothes in the washing machine.  Why did they get so much warning?
Who warned them?

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Ah but cadaver odour can't be washed out.

[Lace]

As I have said before ... not keeping journalists informed is not an indictable offence ... breaking secrecy laws is.  Any journalist worth his or her salt would immediately go into overdrive at the lack of explanation for a cancelled trip which was rescheduled for the following day.

Exactly Brietta,   

Why is this thread even here,   Kate explained why they had to call off the trip,   then she openly admits what they did,  if she was a liar then she wouldn't have put it into her book.

I call a liar someone who lies in court,  now that's someone you need to be wary of.