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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Jane Tanner's statements re: Murat made public in 2007
« Reply #45 on: January 18, 2017, 09:03:00 PM »
RM was an arguido so he was entitled to know exactly what evidence the PJ had against him. Maybe the questioning officer waved a piece of paper in front of his & his lawyer's faces...you know how it goes....
The McCanns were made arguidos too and they didn't get some of the file till after the case was shelved.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Jane Tanner's statements re: Murat made public in 2007
« Reply #46 on: January 18, 2017, 09:07:50 PM »
Oh yeah! right Nobby. So it is to do with RM being arguido rather than an interpreter ? So Robbity is confused and has it all round his neck ?
I think Robert Murat felt he could solve the case and that made some of the people there concerned so they ganged up on him and he was taken off the job of being a translator.
You just have to look at the group of witnesses that saw him or thought they saw him  to get an idea of who that might be.

In amongst Russell's statements were conversations between Murat and ROB confirming thoughts like this.
It would be information gained from being an interpreter, being a local, asking questions as Lori reports and later as an arguido, if additional information was presented to him.  There was also that confrontation meeting between RM and his accusers that a lot of information would have been divulged to RM.
Kate writes about it.  It could be in the file. Does anyone know if the confrontational meeting is evidenced?
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Offline misty

Re: Jane Tanner's statements re: Murat made public in 2007
« Reply #47 on: January 18, 2017, 09:47:11 PM »
08-Processo, Volume V, pages 1957 to 1958

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Jane Tanner's statements re: Murat made public in 2007
« Reply #48 on: January 18, 2017, 10:09:19 PM »
08-Processo, Volume V, pages 1957 to 1958
3 say he was there but he calls them liars and that is that.  I have a feeling they were getting confused with a lookalike Robert Symington.

"Following on [prior] interrogatory work and contradictions having been seen between that which the defendant said and that of the witnesses, RACHEL MARIAMMA JEAN MAMPILLY, RUSSEL JAMES O'BRIEN, and FIONA ELAINE PAYNE, all also duly identified in the file, given that in the depositions of these people there exist clear contradictions with the answers of the defendant, this present work proceeded.  ....
---- By the fourth confronter the accused ROBERT JAMES QUERIOL EVELEIGH MURAT it was said that it is a lie [fabrication] what the other confronters had said because on that night of the disappearance of Madeleine he was not nor had been in that place, not having on the night of 03 May 2007 even gone out of
his house."
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Offline misty

Re: Jane Tanner's statements re: Murat made public in 2007
« Reply #49 on: January 18, 2017, 10:13:31 PM »
3 say he was there but he calls them liars and that is that.  I have a feeling they were getting confused with a lookalike Robert Symington.

AS wasn't there, he was 6 miles away.
More than the 3 Tapas diners place him there that night.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Jane Tanner's statements re: Murat made public in 2007
« Reply #50 on: January 18, 2017, 10:19:19 PM »
AS wasn't there, he was 6 miles away.
More than the 3 Tapas diners place him there that night.
Who?  Was Robert Symington away?

Who were the others?  "More than the 3 Tapas diners place him there that night". 
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Offline misty

Re: Jane Tanner's statements re: Murat made public in 2007
« Reply #51 on: January 18, 2017, 10:31:00 PM »
Who?  Was Robert Symington away?

Who were the others?  "More than the 3 Tapas diners place him there that night".

It's Angus, not Robert S.
Jayne Jenson & Annie Wiltshire
Charlotte Pennington
An unnamed barrister out with his family.
Possibly Raj Balu.

Offline Brietta

Re: Jane Tanner's statements re: Murat made public in 2007
« Reply #52 on: January 18, 2017, 10:35:57 PM »
For information
Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5701.0
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Jane Tanner's statements re: Murat made public in 2007
« Reply #53 on: January 18, 2017, 10:47:13 PM »
It's Angus, not Robert S.
Jayne Jenson & Annie Wiltshire
Charlotte Pennington
An unnamed barrister out with his family.
Possibly Raj Balu.
OK got that now.  Thanks they do look alike don't they?  "Robert Murat and Angus Symington, son of the owner of the Ocean Club Complex. ("estate agent Angus Symington, 37, has almost identical hair, complexion, facial features, height and build and wears similar glasses." - Madeleine: Robert Murat has a double - mirror.co.uk)"
Google images and http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.nz/2008/11/madeleine-mccann-symington-family.html
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Jane Tanner's statements re: Murat made public in 2007
« Reply #54 on: January 19, 2017, 01:00:08 AM »
It's Angus, not Robert S.
Jayne Jenson & Annie Wiltshire
Charlotte Pennington
An unnamed barrister out with his family.
Possibly Raj Balu.
I realise who I was trying to remember now, for I knew his first name was Robert and it was Robert Naylor. Now there is one photo of him on the Google images and if it is the same Robert Naylor it could be him they were confusing with  Robert Murat.  They look reasonably close.


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Offline misty

Re: Jane Tanner's statements re: Murat made public in 2007
« Reply #55 on: January 19, 2017, 01:23:43 AM »
The unanswered question, Robittybob, is why there was never any identification made by the PJ of the Murat look-alike translating on the night 3rd May. Had he been identified then there would have been no reason to recall the 3 Tapas diners from the UK for a confrontational meeting with RM. Not one of the officers there that night was asked who was also translating besides Sylvia.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Jane Tanner's statements re: Murat made public in 2007
« Reply #56 on: January 19, 2017, 01:55:55 AM »
The unanswered question, Robittybob, is why there was never any identification made by the PJ of the Murat look-alike translating on the night 3rd May. Had he been identified then there would have been no reason to recall the 3 Tapas diners from the UK for a confrontational meeting with RM. Not one of the officers there that night was asked who was also translating besides Sylvia.
I didn't even know there was a male translator.  Where does he come in?

Well put it this way I don't think Silvia would have mentioned a male lookalike to RM if it was Angus Symington
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Offline misty

Re: Jane Tanner's statements re: Murat made public in 2007
« Reply #57 on: January 19, 2017, 02:22:14 AM »
I didn't even know there was a male translator.  Where does he come in?

Well put it this way I don't think Silvia would have mentioned a male lookalike to RM if it was Angus Symington

You need to spend an hour reading through the thread Brietta posted the link to, that should help.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Jane Tanner's statements re: Murat made public in 2007
« Reply #58 on: January 19, 2017, 04:35:30 AM »
You need to spend an hour reading through the thread Brietta posted the link to, that should help.
There is some interesting stuff in there

Post with the most names and references was one by SIL
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5701.msg281156#msg281156
"Hmm...
Annie Wiltshire, no statement, so a source is required.
Jayne Jensen, no statement, so a source is required.
Silvia Batista, statement 15 May 2007, (after Murat was an arguido), thinks there was a man, whom she only got introduced to days later, who might have been Murat.  But she gives 3 names to cross-check, as they would know better than her.
Charlotte Pennington, statement 7 May 2007 (before Murat was an arguido), no mention of Murat (why should she when she probably did not know him), more importantly no reference to someone looking on that night while others searched.
Raj Balu, statement made after Murat was an arguido, no mention of Murat.
Neil Berry, statement made after Murat was an arguido, no mention of Murat.
June Wright (named by Silvia Batista as someone who knew Murat). After Murat was made an arguido she gave a statement that she did no see him there that night.
Paul Wright - ditto as per June Wright.

Six of the Tapas 9 failed to indicate that Murat was there that night.
Various policemen who were there that night said they could not recall Murat being there.

This stuff would not pass muster in a criminal court of law. ......"

What I couldn't make out was why Misty keeps saying Charlotte Pennington also saw RM but there was no hint of it in her statements.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Jane Tanner's statements re: Murat made public in 2007
« Reply #59 on: January 19, 2017, 04:47:58 AM »
It is in Fiona's statement that she mentions someone offered to be a translator.  http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5701.msg281178#msg281178
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