Have the dog alerts any significance?

[G-Unit]

The report in that article refers only to the decomposition of human corpses.
If a person is incinerated as they die, then surely the 5 stages of decomposition are bypassed. Surely that means incinerated pork (from a dead piglet) must smell different compared to freshly incinerated human?
BTW the FBI dogs are trained on human cremains as well as human cadaver.

I thought it talked about cadaver dogs finding people burned to death in a forest fire.

[Robittybob1]

I thought it talked about cadaver dogs finding people burned to death in a forest fire.

But when you are burnt to death that doesn't mean you are completely turned to ashes as in a crematorium.

[Mr Gray]

But when you are burnt to death that doesn't mean you are completely turned to ashes as in a crematorium.

if you are burnt to death there is no putrification.....

[misty]

I thought it talked about cadaver dogs finding people burned to death in a forest fire.

That part, yes, because they are also trained to find human cremains. That presumably is a different odour to a decomposing cadaver not subjected to the intense heat of a fire. I don't know, I'm not a scientist, but if a "cooked" living human smells the same to a dog as a "cooked" dead human, what does that say about Eddie's alert to "cooked" pork?

[Robittybob1]

if you are burnt to death there is no putrification.....

But after a couple of hours there would be.  They won't be be sending the dogs in there till all the embers were out, so sufficient time will have passed for decomposition of the cadaver to set in.

[Mr Gray]

But after a couple of hours there would be.  They won't be be sending the dogs in there till all the embers were out, so sufficient time will have passed for decomposition of the cadaver to set in.
Have you heard of telling fibs?

im speaking off the top of my head.....putrification is caused initially by bnacteria in the stomach...all these would be destroyed by 1200 deg C

it would depend on just how severely the cadaver was burnt

[Robittybob1]

im speaking off the top of my head.....putrification is caused initially by bnacteria in the stomach...all these would be destroyed by 1200 deg C

it would depend on just how severely the cadaver was burnt

1200 deg C is the temperature of the flame, not the internal body organs.  One lung full of gas that hot you'd instantly die and drop to the ground and the flames might burn your clothes and skin but leave the rest.

[Mr Gray]

1200 deg C is the temperature of the flame, not the internal body organs.  One lung full of gas that hot you'd died and drop to the ground and the flames might burn your clothes and skin but leave the rest.

im talking about a body consumed by fire..... I saw an open cremation in India and there was little left apart from some charred bones which were collected and cleaned

[Robittybob1]

im talking about a body consumed by fire..... I saw an open cremation in India and there was little left apart from some charred bones which were collected and cleaned

OK so inside those bones would still be cadaver odour.  And they wouldn't cremate someone with the first few minutes of death either would they.  Usually a day or so whatever is the custom.

[barrier]

It is possible he needed to say this to explain how Eddie got so good at detecting human remains without being allowed to train on human remains. 

He was allowed to train the dog on human remains in America,why do you doubt it?

[Mr Gray]

OK so inside those bones would still be cadaver odour.  And they wouldn't cremate someone with the first few minutes of death either would they.  Usually a day or so whatever is the custom.
It is possible he needed to say this to explain how Eddie got so good at detecting human remains without being allowed to train on human remains.

you have obviously worked in a path lab so i bow to your superior knowledge

[Alice Purjorick]

He was allowed to train the dog on human remains in America,why do you doubt it?

There are those on this forum severely afflicted by "canis tractophobia"....

[sadie]

I'm not concerned about that.  I am suggesting, and I might be wrong, but there were indications (video) that Grime was using human cadaver and decomposed human body parts (teeth and old bones and blood) rather than decomposed pig to do his training with.

Soz, this is so late ... have been busy

No matter about the human teeth and and old bones etc, Rob. 
More importantly, are you forgetting that Eddie was basically trained on Pork Cadaver?   Once a dog has been trained to something, he will never forget that training ... so will forever alert to Pork Cadavar

Keela was trained solely on human blood.  She will NEVER alert to Pork in any form
Therefore, so long as it wasn't blood from a living person, be it pork cadavar or human cadavar ... which ever Eddie alerted to, Keela would not recognise either and she would NOT alert at all.


This makes a nonsense of Amarals theory.

[slartibartfast]

pork decomposes...thats why it has to be kept in the fridge

Bingo.

[sadie]

Cooked food does not give off cadaver scent, no matter how long you leave it lying around.

Yet they use Cadaver dogs in California to track peoploe burned in the fires that rage over the land at times.

How do you account for that?


Also Martin Grimes claimed that he soaked a cube of Pork in petrol for  a week then set it alight ... and Eddie alerted to it, despite the petrol and flames

How do you account for that ?