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stephen25000

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Unless you are like the McCanns knowing that Madeleine had not died so the cadaver odour could not have been from her.
He wasn't allowed to finish the sentence so we will never know what Gerry was wanting to say about the dogs.

Come of it.

No matter the bluster of the McCann's, the alerts got to them.

Offline Robittybob1

Come of it.

No matter the bluster of the McCann's, the alerts got to them.
Well of course it must have been confusing for them when it seemed to be going against nature/science.
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stephen25000

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Well of course it must have been confusing for them when it seemed to be going against nature/science.

'...going against  nature/science.'

Explain.


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Offline carlymichelle

'...going against  nature/science.'



dogs are way above humans  in smell etc    they can smell things humans  cant
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Offline Robittybob1

'...going against  nature/science.'


To them it would have seemed more like a conjurer's trick. How could there be cadaver odour in the car?  How could there be cadaver odour in the bedroom when Madeleine was alive at 9:05 PM???  It was not usual to have this.

dogs are way above humans  in smell etc    they can smell things humans  cant
Well but they still can't say who's cadaver odour they are picking up.
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stephen25000

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To them it would have seemed more like a conjurer's trick. How could there be cadaver odour in the car?  How could there be cadaver odour in the bedroom when Madeleine was alive at 9:05 PM???  It was not usual to have this.
Well but they still can't say who's cadaver odour they are picking up.

You don't know whether she was alive or dead at that point.

Alfie

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before    it gets derailed      lets get back to  the topic? wouldnt most parents reaction to  dogs alerting to  Dna be of  shock and fear ? not  saying the dogs are  wrong  like the mcanns  did  or  telling everybody they can that the dogs had no  meaning etc? i do find that strange  ??
So what were the McCanns' reactions when they were told of the dog alerts?

Offline slartibartfast

Unless you are like the McCanns knowing that Madeleine had not died so the cadaver odour could not have been from her.
He wasn't allowed to finish the sentence so we will never know what Gerry was wanting to say about the dogs.

How would they know she had not died?
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Alfie

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Apparently Gerry and Kate's reaction to being told about the dog alerts didn't make sense.  In order to discuss this reaction we need to know exactly how they reacted when being told.  someone?  anyone?

Offline Robittybob1

Apparently Gerry and Kate's reaction to being told about the dog alerts didn't make sense.  In order to discuss this reaction we need to know exactly how they reacted when being told.  someone?  anyone?
Kate mentions her reaction in her book.
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Offline Lace

The dogs indicated.

FACT.

That is why you and others, not even counting the McCann's are fixated with the dogs, and that says everything.

Indicated to what?   

Offline Robittybob1

Indicated to what?
"Indicate" is a behaviour displayed by the dog.  It is related to what they are trained to find.
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before    it gets derailed      lets get back to  the topic? wouldnt most parents reaction to  dogs alerting to  Dna be of  shock and fear ? not  saying the dogs are  wrong  like the mcanns  did  or  telling everybody they can that the dogs had no  meaning etc? i do find that strange  ??

Kate McCann says she was crying hysterically when the Police questioned her about 100% DNA being found belonging to Madeleine,   Kate McCann was fearing her child was dead.   Then they showed her the videos of the dogs and she realised this was what they were basing their accusations on.   Well if the McCann's knew they were innocent of any wrong doing in 5a,   then why would they react in shock and horror at the video of the dogs?  Kate McCann I believe was quite relieved when she saw the dog video and where the Police were getting their 'evidence'  she knew that there was no evidence as nothing had happened to Madeleine in 5a,  she had been abducted.

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"Indicate" is a behaviour displayed by the dog.  It is related to what they are trained to find.

No one knows what the dog indicated to Rob.

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Kate McCann says she was crying hysterically when the Police questioned her about 100% DNA being found belonging to Madeleine,   Kate McCann was fearing her child was dead.   Then they showed her video of the dogs and she realised this was what they were basing their accusations on.   Well if the McCann's knew they were innocent of any wrong doing in 5a,   then why would they react in shock and horror at the video of the dogs?  Kate McCann I believe was quite relieved when she saw the dog video and where the Police were getting their 'evidence'  she knew that there was no evidence as nothing had happened to Madeleine in 5a,  she had been abducted.

We have been here thousands of times before,Lace.  Unfortunately as the old saying goes ... "None so deaf as those who will not hear."


Original Source: SUN: FRIDAY SEPTEMBER 05 2008

EXPERTS say sniffer dogs can play a vital role in fighting crime ' but warn it is 'madness' to rely on their findings.

The animals are used to lead police to evidence, but do not provide evidence themselves.

 
One expert told The Sun: 'The dogs can identify traces of blood, but it's crazy to draw major conclusions just from what they find.

'Any evidence they find should be used as a starting point. It's madness just to rely on the findings of the sniffer dogs.'

Handler Martin Grimes, who worked with his dogs on the Maddie case, admitted the animals offered no more than 'a guide'.

He said: 'They can identify traces of blood and detect the smell of a decomposing body, but that is as far as they go.'

Martin said his dogs Keela and Eddie would only give him an indication when they find what they are trained to detect.

Unreliable

He said: 'Blood could be invisible to the naked eye, but Keela will detect it. It doesn't matter if it's hundreds of years old.

'Eddie smells for the scent of a decomposing human body. He can detect any part of a human body that is decomposing ' hair, bones, flesh, anything.

'The smell of a decomposing body is very difficult to get rid of. It can easily be transferred to clothing and on to a person.'

A spokesman for the McCanns said: 'Dog alerts can be unreliable. The handler himself makes it clear in the police report that such alerts are meaningless without corroborative evidence. There was no such evidence.

'Gerry and Kate are not interested in dwelling on mistakes that were made. They and their investigation team wish to focus entirely on finding Maddie.'
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/19-Sep8/SUN1_05_09_2008.htm


It was time to move on from the mistaken interpretation and reliance placed on whatever excited Eddie's excitable attention in the McCann apartment as soon as the forensic results entered the public domain.

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‘The dog EVRD also alerts to blood from a live human being or only from a cadaver’

The dog EVRD is trained using whole and disintegrated material, blood, bone tissue, teeth, etc. and decomposed cross-contaminants. The dog will recognize all or parts of a human cadaver.

He is not trained for ‘live’ human odours; no trained dog will recognize the smell of ‘fresh blood’.

They find, however, and give the alert for dried blood from a live human being. Martin Grime

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Once the alert has been given by the dog, it is up to the investigator/forensic scientist to locate, identify and scientifically provide the evidence of DNA, etc.    Martin Grime

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_RIGATORY.htm


What is so difficult to understand about that?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....