Gerry and Kate's reaction to sniffer dogs didnt make sense new ninemsn article

[stephen25000]

The alerts are recorded in the case files.

They are not going away.

[Mr Gray]

There is certainly alot of hooha about alerts supporters claim ain't worth diddlysquat.
If they ain't worth diddlysquat why the hooha?

Mr Harrisons comment about no evidential value is only expert opinion and may be challenged by another expert.

your problem is that grime agrees with him and we havent heard an expert say otherwise..

it isnt just that...as many of these alerts cannot be verified one way or the other nothing can be proved

[Mr Gray]

The alerts are recorded in the case files.

They are not going away.

they are recorded as having no value...fine

[stephen25000]

The files are there for people to read.

It isn't up to davel  to other people what to think , or how to interpret the files.

People can do that for themselves, without any bias.

[Mr Gray]

The files are there for people to read.

It isn't up to davel  to other people what to think , or how to interpret the files.

People can do that for themselves, without any bias.

if you read the files you will see its not me saying anything its Grime and Harrison...no interpretation needed ...the alerts have no value as evidence...that is not opinion it is FACT

[John]

they are recorded as having no value...fine

I believe the term was "evidential reliability"...ie they were unreliable as evidence but evidence all the same.  Evidence does not have to have a value in order to become evidence.  The police gather lots of evidence when investigating cases, after analyses are undertaken only a small part of that gathered is found to be significant.  Point being, evidence can consist of many things both tangible and non tangible.  The actions of suspects for example can be deemed to be evidence and thereafter documented as such.

[stephen25000]

People will decide for themselves how they interpret the files.


Don't forget that.

[Mr Gray]

I believe the term was "evidential reliability"...ie they were unreliable as evidence but evidence all the same.

i have given the dictionary definition of evidence and the alerts do not fulfil it...perhaps you could put a caveat....evidence of no value or reliability...doesnt sound too good does it

[Mr Gray]

People will decide for themselves how they interpret the files.


Don't forget that.

people may well decide incorrectly...and that has certainly happened

[ferryman]

The files are there for people to read.

It isn't up to davel  to other people what to think , or how to interpret the files.

People can do that for themselves, without any bias.

Trouble is that far too many who can choose not to.

Gerry in the tapas restaurant at the time of Kate's alert and also the time of the Smith sighting (it's in the files)

Provenance of Eddie's alert to the Renault Scenic known and innocent.  It's in the files.

Eddie's 'alert' to cuddle cat bringing to an end Eddie's (previous) unblemished record of never alerting falsely (at least as claimed by Grime).

It's in the files.

The McCanns could not, reasonably, have been expected to foresee any interference with any of their children.  It's in the files, written by the Portuguese prosecutors, summarising the whole content of the files.

[ferryman]

I believe the term was "evidential reliability"...ie they were unreliable as evidence but evidence all the same.  Evidence does not have to have a value in order to become evidence.  The police gather lots of evidence when investigating cases, after analyses are undertaken only a small part of that gathered is found to be significant.  Point being, evidence can consist of many things both tangible and non tangible.  The actions of suspects for example can be deemed to be evidence and thereafter documented as such.

Then, there is the distinction between 'evidence' and 'intelligence'.

[Alice Purjorick]

your problem is that grime agrees with him and we havent heard an expert say otherwise..

it isnt just that...as many of these alerts cannot be verified one way or the other nothing can be proved

How is that my problem ?. It does not affect my health or investments therefore it is no problem to me.

This forum is not trying the case so the opinions of Grime and Harrison cannot be put to any test, by this forum, that is relevant or carries weight.

[stephen25000]

Trouble is that far too many who can choose not to.

Gerry in the tapas restaurant at the time of Kate's alert and also the time of the Smith sighting (it's in the files)

Provenance of Eddie's alert to the Renault Scenic known and innocent.  It's in the files.

Eddie's 'alert' to cuddle cat bringing to an end Eddie's (previous) unblemished record of never alerting falsely (at least as claimed by Grime).

It's in the files.

The McCanns could not, reasonably, have been expected to foresee any interference with any of their children.  It's in the files, written by the Portuguese prosecutors, summarising the whole content of the files.

As a reminder, yet again.

The case was shelved due to lack of evidence.

What happened to Madeleine was undetermined.

Opinions not withstanding.

[Mr Gray]

How is that my problem ?. It does not affect my health or investments therefore it is no problem to me.

This forum is not trying the case so the opinions of Grime and Harrison cannot be put to any test, by this forum, that is relevant or carries weight.

its a figure of speech...have you not heard it before

[John]

i have given the dictionary definition of evidence and the alerts do not fulfil it...perhaps you could put a caveat....evidence of no value or reliability...doesnt sound too good does it

The word evidence has many meanings depending on context.  I have already answered your earlier post.  Unreliable evidence can quickly become reliable given the introduction of relevant forensics.  I think Mr Grime explained all this previously.