Gerry and Kate's reaction to sniffer dogs didnt make sense new ninemsn article

[stephen25000]

...then his professional reputation may not be adversely affected by this case.
I repeat the question - what effect would it have on a criminal case if his evidence is inadmissible in a Portuguese court?
Take it a step further. What if a detective who had actively worked the original case was discussing evidence anonymously on internet fora?

We are dealing with Portuguese Law, not British.

Has that escaped your attention.

[Mr Gray]

We are dealing with Portuguese Law, not British.

Has that escaped your attention.

Grime has stated clearly the alerts have no evidential value....Harrison has said no inferences can be drawn from them....how can they be used in evidence in any court...think about it

[stephen25000]

Strawman.

Grime claims Rose immediately admitted his guilt.

Rose didn't.

Grime claims some fancy manoeuvre with the dog leading to the discovery of a button in long grass.  The button was found in the dust-bag of a vacuum cleaner.

You only know what you have read on the case.


That of course is conditioned by your bias against Grime.

[stephen25000]

Grime has stated clearly the alerts have no evidential value....Harrison has said no inferences can be drawn from them....how can they be used in evidence in any court...think about it

If a body is found.

[ferryman]

Not in his profile (I don't think) but in the press, Grime claims the involvement of Keela in the investigation into Abigail Witchalls.

In theory, it's possible.  She (mercifully) survived a vicious attack that left her paralysed and blood might have played a key part in apprehending her assailant. 

But all the evidence (I have found) suggests the dogs used were the type that track the scents of living scents.

[Brietta]

...then his professional reputation may not be adversely affected by this case.
I repeat the question - what effect would it have on a criminal case if his evidence is inadmissible in a Portuguese court?
Take it a step further. What if a detective who had actively worked the original case was discussing evidence anonymously on internet fora?

I had forgotten about that Misty. But was his anonymity not blown somewhat?

If it is the same detective I'm thinking of, who used the 'Eddie and Keela Show' videos as a blunt instrument in his questioning of Kate McCann ... that could be an interesting cross examination.
Which of course, is never ever going to happen anyway.

[Mr Gray]

If a body is found.

then it is the body which is the evidence not the alerts

[misty]

We are dealing with Portuguese Law, not British.

Has that escaped your attention.

Does Portuguese Law permit cadaver dogs' alerts as evidence - yes or no?

[stephen25000]

then it is the body which is the evidence not the alerts

I do know the alerts have not been corroborated.

However, they are still recorded in the files, and they won't disappear either, never to be found.

[Mr Gray]

I do know the alerts have not been corroborated.

However, they are still recorded in the files, and they won't disappear either, never to be found.

recorded as no evidential value...and therefore of no value whatsoever

[stephen25000]

If they had no value, you would not constantly post about them.

They remain in the case files.

[ferryman]

Does Portuguese Law permit cadaver dogs' alerts as evidence - yes or no?

Since Portugal doesn't (or hitherto hasn't) use(d) cadaver dogs, it's unlikely Portuguese law will have anything (whatsoever!) to say about cadaver dogs.

In which case (I assume) a Portuguese court would take its lead from English courts, whose legislation says uncorroborated dog-alerts are inadmissible as evidence in court.

The Portuguese prosecutors certainly took their lead from what Harrison (and Grime) had to see in the files on that.

[Mr Gray]

If they had no value, you would not constantly post about them.

They remain in the case files.

you are stating opinion as fact and breaking forum rules...and you are totally wrong again...they have no value

[misty]

I had forgotten about that Misty. But was his anonymity not blown somewhat?

If it is the same detective I'm thinking of, who used the 'Eddie and Keela Show' videos as a blunt instrument in his questioning of Kate McCann ... that could be an interesting cross examination.
Which of course, is never ever going to happen anyway.

It was a generalisation rather than specific to that particular person (I'm not sure if he even discussed the case with the honey-trapper anyway). I once was a part-recipient of a comment which insinuated I had been planted on a forum to develop defence arguments in the event of a prosecution. Maybe that does happen. But there is a part of me that believes that the case was originally shelved after facilitating financial gain, to hinder any future investigation should it occur & also to make any prosecution virtually impossible.
IMHO.

[ShiningInLuz]

Since Portugal doesn't (or hitherto hasn't) use(d) cadaver dogs, it's unlikely Portuguese law will have anything (whatsoever!) to say about cadaver dogs.

In which case (I assume) a Portuguese court would take its lead from English courts, whose legislation says uncorroborated dog-alerts are inadmissible as evidence in court.

The Portuguese prosecutors certainly took their lead from what Harrison (and Grime) had to see in the files on that.

Where is the wry-smile emoticon when you want it?

A lawyer for the defence could well argue that getting an unbiased jury or judge after the dog alert videos is impossible.  They are extremely popular in Portugal, as evidenced by the Portuguese-language 10th anniversary specials.

As to Portuguese courts taking their lead from English courts, that idea does not manage to get off the ground.