The Earlier Reports Made about the case

[mrswah]

Also, people are going to assume "suspicious circumstances" when a body is found dumped somewhere, particularly when it is the body of a young person who is not likely to have died from "natural causes".

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I am sure a lot of people were assuming the body was that of Joanna as soon as they heard that one had been found: the media, the tweeters, the posters on forums, all those who read or listen to the news, even if they don't use the internet. Her disappearance had been very widely reported, and the body was found in the part of the country where Joanna had been living. Nobody else had been reported missing with such wide coverage, even though I understand that there were other people who went missing during that week.

They were not waiting for official confirmation------although they should have been.

Yes... But the Police still confirmed it within a couple of hours...

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8056.msg406482#msg406482

[Leonora]

I was looking at the Joanna Yeates word press and the photographs we are all used to viewing... And one stood out to me...

The background looks like someone has painted a bridge behind it.. Yet the sky looks real....  It's just a little bit strange....

It's a stone archway in a wall, with a customised wooden trellis fastened to it for plants to climb up. It's probably in the grounds of a hotel used for wedding receptions.

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It's a stone archway in a wall, with a customised wooden trellis fastened to it for plants to climb up. It's probably in the grounds of a hotel used for wedding receptions.

Ok... thanks for clearing that up

[mrswah]

It's a stone archway in a wall, with a customised wooden trellis fastened to it for plants to climb up. It's probably in the grounds of a hotel used for wedding receptions.

Yes, I reckoned the photo was taken at a wedding.

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I knew that the "Post Mortem Had started on the 26th December 2010...

It shouldn't have been possible....

A spokesman for Avon and Somerset Police said: "While a formal identification procedure is yet to be completed, police are satisfied that the body is that of 25-year-old landscape architect Joanna Yeates, who went missing during the weekend before Christmas."
He added: "A post-mortem examination has been taking place in Bristol today.

"However, because of the extreme freezing conditions in which Joanna's body was found, it is unlikely that any findings from this will be known until tomorrow at the earliest.

So how Frozen was Joanna Yeates.... I really don't believe she was at all... (IMO)


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-12080254

Edit:.... Think about this... She needs to defrost and the her body would be in full Rigor Mortis... if she did indeed die on the 17th December 2010

I cannot see how they can start an Autopsy until the body is in a condition to do so....

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Specialist fire crews were called to the road where the snow-covered body of a young woman was found on Saturday morning.

Ms Yeates was captured on CCTV while shopping shortly after leaving a pub on 17 December
In a delicate operation, investigators have tried to retrieve the body - which has not been identified - without damaging any evidence at the scene, said BBC reporter Richard Greenaway.

So they needed to retrieve the body with "Specialist Fire Crews"?

The family of a missing Bristol landscape architect are awaiting the results of a post mortem examination after the body of a woman was found.

In the next breadth...

Miss Yeates, 25, was last seen on 17 December, when she is thought to have returned to the flat she shared with her boyfriend in the Clifton area.
The post-mortem examination is expected to take place on Boxing Day.

So I think this was completed a lot sooner than they lead us to believe... 

Our reporter said six scenes of crime officers had been examining the road, which is near Long Ashton Golf Club, on the edge of Bristol.

I believe this report reveals so much more than was probably intended....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-12079502

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Police Continued a Forensic Search of the Landlords Flat, which is above The Basement Flat Miss yeates shared with her boyfriend

This is a transcript from the video.... And possible quite an important little video clip...

Again visual footage draws your eye to the SHARED Front door of Canygne Road and that gives the impression that CJ lives on the opposite side of the building to Joanna Yeates.... I personally always thought he did..
Because... we then have:

Geoffrey Hardyman, who lives in the flat on the top floor of 44 Canynge Road, said he was ill with a cold on the night of December 17 last year.

He said that even though he had gone to bed at 11pm - after Miss Yeates was killed by Tabak - he heard nothing of the events inside her ground floor flat.

OMG.... I was always under the impression that he lived directly above Joanna Yeates, I hadn't taken the information in correctly... He's a small player in this event... But his statement has been made in court... WHY??
Geoffrey Hardyman full of cold, blocked nose ,blocked ears , tucked up in bed is absolutley no use to anyone as a WITNESS!!!  But as a distraction he is useful....

I'm thinking the use of the media has been extremely well executed.. (IMO)

Leonora.... The 2nd witness testemony is important... But I believe it might not be to do with who CJ saw at the gate.
Joanna Yeates was seen at the Hophouse Pub on CCTV at 8:45pm she has a 5 minutes walk.. she stops and makes pleasantries with the Priest... That must be getting to 8:55 pm....

The prosecution in their court statements say they believe that Joanna Yeates was getting comfortable for the evening....  So the earliest time she could have been killed becomes later....
CJ only says he saw someone at the gate... he doesn't say in which direction they are going.... Are they arriving ??

Back to CJ and which Flat he lives in.... "The One Directly above Joanna Yeates"......

So she may have been leaving or arriving with someone she knew... But CJ is directly above... any NOISE and Screams.. should have been heard by CJ.... not Geoffrey Hardyman.

The 2nd witness statement would have the correct time he arrived home... I believe he originally said he didn't hear anything unusual.... Well.. if Joanna Yeates was in a fight for her life and Screaming so loudly... ..CJ Must have heard that.. and if he didn't she wasn't in her Flat when she was killed...  She probably left... Or she wasn't killed on the 17th December 2010...

8:55pm... She has to change her clothes still... there are so many action that have to take place before she "Apparently Opens The Door"... to Dr Vincent Tabak..... he can't have forced his way in with her at her doorstep.... she wouldn't have changed her clothes... Dr Vincent Tabak didn't say anything about the clothes she was wearing or whether he redressed her...
But maybe someone else redressed her?? But probably not...

The time is getting nearer to 9:05pm... Is that why the Prosecution KNOW that Joanna Yeates was getting comfy that evening... Because she changed her clothes to Flower Patterned Pink Top with Blue Jeans from the Plain Top and Black/Grey Jeans she is seen wearing in the CCTV Footage...

The neighbours across The Roads testimony is useless (IMO)... It's CJ's testimony that is the Important one... CJ did see someone at the gate... It doesn't matter in some way that if could have been Joanna Yeates... But that someone was probably GOING to the Flat.... Maybe "Kingdom's " statement is more Important too.... His hearing "Screams".. Mid Morning on The 18th December 2010....
Another thing I have noticed is how the Police Cars BLOCK the driveway, making it impossible for Dr Vincent Tabak to return to his Flat in Peace.... But the media make out that Dr Vincent Tabak was hiding from the Flat... The Gate is closed... which Tennats can't come and go freely ???

Thought part of Police Procedure was to be sympathetic to the community.. Another thing I have noticed is there is NO POLICE TAPE.. around the area of CJ Entrance to his Flat...

There were apparent blood stains on her flower patterned pink top but no signs of injuries to her genitalia, Dr Delaney said.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/killer-weeps-over-images-of-joanna-yeates-body-2370602.html
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/joanna-yeates-murder-trial-neighbour-1085088
http://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/video/police-in-bristol-have-renewed-their-call-for-help-from-news-footage/107853537

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Before he was detained he had apparently told police he saw three people leaving Jo’s flat on the night she disappeared. But within hours of his version of events being made public, he appeared less certain about what had happened.
‘It is a serious distortion of what I said to the police and I have no further comment to make as that, no doubt, will be distorted,’ he said.

This bit stuck out:

But within hours of his version of events being made public,

Reminded me of DC Karen Thomas and the Crime watch Program when the Presenter says

On New Years Eve they sent a team out to meet him at a hotel in Amsterdam... But his version of events seemed confused

when referring to Dr Vincent Tabak...

Again... the media's use here casts doubt on the validity of Both CJ and Dr Vincent Tabak's statements not being accurate...

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343360/Joanna-Yeates-murder-Chris-Jefferies-freed-bail-2-days.html#ixzz4hKIQcExq

[Leonora]

OMG.... I was always under the impression that he lived directly above Joanna Yeates, I hadn't taken the information in correctly... He's a small player in this event... But his statement has been made in court... WHY??
Geoffrey Hardyman full of cold, blocked nose ,blocked ears , tucked up in bed is absolutley no use to anyone as a WITNESS!!!  But as a distraction he is useful....

I'm thinking the use of the media has been extremely well executed.. (IMO)

Leonora.... The 2nd witness testemony is important... But I believe it might not be to do with who CJ saw at the gate.
Joanna Yeates was seen at the Hophouse Pub on CCTV at 8:45pm she has a 5 minutes walk.. she stops and makes pleasantries with the Priest... That must be getting to 8:55 pm....

Although you make some very good points in this post - especially the reason you give why Geoffrey Hardyman's testimony was heard in court - I am on the verge of giving up in despair. You name me specifically, yet you haven't paid any attention AT ALL to my repeated explanations of why the importance of CJ's 2nd witness statement cannot be understated. I keep on trying to emphasise that its importance lies in observations that we know nothing about. The persons seen on the path HAVE TO BE just the tip of the iceberg. They alone are enough for you to DEMAND that the police explain what they did about these persons. But it was because of the rest of the iceberg that CJ was arrested. I see no point in speculating about the nature of that iceberg as long as you completely ignore what I post.

Actually, Geoffrey Hardyman was adamant that he would have heard screams and noise if there had been any, despite being bedridden. This of course should have been tested by Mr Clegg, both at the scene and in court.

You post very confusingly here, because one minute you are putting together arguments that are intended to lead to the truth, and the next minute you are basing your arguments on the sequence of events described by Vincent Tabak, which neither you nor anyone else believes to be correct. You know that we don't actually know whether Joanna was killed on Friday, Saturday or Sunday, nor how many times she changed her clothes, nor what she had to eat and drink, nor when. You know that we don't know whether there were any screams or not. You know that we don't know where she was killed, nor whether there was a serious struggle in the flat, or something much less serious that simply resulted in washing-up being left undone.

For some reason, most other people believe they know all these things, yet they also believe Vincent Tabak is a liar.

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Although you make some very good points in this post - especially the reason you give why Geoffrey Hardyman's testimony was heard in court - I am on the verge of giving up in despair. You name me specifically, yet you haven't paid any attention AT ALL to my repeated explanations of why the importance of CJ's 2nd witness statement cannot be understated. I keep on trying to emphasise that its importance lies in observations that we know nothing about. The persons seen on the path HAVE TO BE just the tip of the iceberg. They alone are enough for you to DEMAND that the police explain what they did about these persons. But it was because of the rest of the iceberg that CJ was arrested. I see no point in speculating about the nature of that iceberg as long as you completely ignore what I post.

Actually, Geoffrey Hardyman was adamant that he would have heard screams and noise if there had been any, despite being bedridden. This of course should have been tested by Mr Clegg, both at the scene and in court.

You post very confusingly here, because one minute you are putting together arguments that are intended to lead to the truth, and the next minute you are basing your arguments on the sequence of events described by Vincent Tabak, which neither you nor anyone else believes to be correct. You know that we don't actually know whether Joanna was killed on Friday, Saturday or Sunday, nor how many times she changed her clothes, nor what she had to eat and drink, nor when. You know that we don't know whether there were any screams or not. You know that we don't know where she was killed, nor whether there was a serious struggle in the flat, or something much less serious that simply resulted in washing-up being left undone.

For some reason, most other people believe they know all these things, yet they also believe Vincent Tabak is a liar.

leonora... I'm not dismissing what you say and I whole heartedly agree that the 2nd Witness Statemnet of CJ will reveal, what took place that evening.... I was Just pointing out other factors that the 2nd witness statement would also reveal.... Of Course CJ saw People at the Gate..... That goes without saying..... 

[Leonora]

Late on 23rd December 2010, an unnamed spokesman told the news media that the police did not suspect Joanna Yeates's boyfriend Greg Reardon of any involvement in her disappearance. During his first press conference on 28th December 2010, DCI Phil Jones was asked by a reporter if Greg Reardon were a suspect. He answered "No, he is a witness".

For obvious, logical, circumstantial, contextual reasons, the boyfriend ought to have been a prime suspect, even if the police didn't say so publicly, until other, more plausible suspects were discovered. Before you say, "the police probably checked his alibi", let me remind you that until Vincent Tabak told the jury that he killed Joanna Yeates on the Friday evening, no one knew when she was killed. By his own account, Greg Reardon had no alibi for nearly seven hours, between getting home from Sheffield and the arrival of WPC Anneleise Jackson in response to his 999 call.

At that stage, the police couldn't possibly know that he didn't do it, as their suspicion of the landlord was "a mistake", and Vincent Tabak didn't even become a suspect "officially" until the Schiphol interview.

So why did the police take these unusual steps of publicly eliminating Greg Reardon so early on? Was it because:

(1) They were flat-footed bumblers who also desparately needed to make an arrest to keep the press of their backs?

(2) They already knew that Joanna was dead and who the real killer was?

(3) They wanted to lull Greg Reardon into a false sense of security?

(4) They wanted to signal to the real killer that he couldn't relax?

(5) They wanted to reinforce the public image of a loving couple with no skeletons in their cupboards?

Because I am Leonora, I don't believe the police were bumbling, nor, unlike some, do I believe Christopher Jefferies had done anything to be ashamed of. As a suspect, the landlord left much to be desired.

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3:08PM GMT 22 Dec 2010
Joanna Yeates, 25, was last seen leaving a pub in Bristol at 8pm on Friday after drinks with colleagues. She went shopping at a Tesco store before going home but has not been seen or heard from since.
Miss Yeates, known as Jo, was reported missing by her boyfriend Greg Reardon when he returned to the flat they shared in the Clifton area on Sunday night.

It's the paper saying that she has not been heard from... But one thing DCI Mark Saunder mention was the "Items she purchased " from Tesco's..

We believe she mad a purchase of some items from Tesco Metro on Regent Street at around 8:40pm

See... "Some Items"...... What else did she buy from Tesco's ????

I don't understand if DCI Mark Saunders says as early as The 22nd December 2010 that she was in Tesco's... why are all the advertising of her disappearance plastered with the time of 8:30 pm as her last know whereabouts ???

3:08PM GMT 22 Dec 2010

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newsvideo/8219528/Family-appeal-for-missing-Bristol-woman.html

EDIT..... As we know Police keep things back in an Inquiry.... have the Knowledge of other Items that Joanna Yeates Purchased yet the Public don't know about????

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I keep trying to track down some of the Interviews that Rebecca Scott gave to the Press and how in accurate they appear to be....

”Jo and Greg were spending Christmas at her parents.

”We were also finalising New Year’s Eve plans – we were going up to Edinburgh as a few of us wanted to go.

”Then I had a message from the police on my phone on Sunday saying Jo was missing.

”There doesn’t seem to be anything missing from the house at all – even her coat and keys are there. I know Jo, and she takes these kind of things with her.

How could she recieved a message on her phone from the Police on The Sunday  Night when Greg hadn't reported her missing until the early hours of Monday Morning????

Rebecca, studying PhD in marine biology at Swansea University, added: ”All the police’s normal missing persons scenarios have come to a dead end. She’s just not the sort of person to go missing.

Jo is not one to hide her feelings – if there’s something bothering her, she will say. Jo is really outgoing. She was a very, very popular girl and she’s done very well for herself.

There is always conflicting information in this case.... Doesn;'t matter who it comes from...

http://swns.com/news/last-person-to-speak-to-joanna-yeates-tells-of-missing-bristol-womans-christmas-plans-12636/

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I didn't know this is where the "Green Fleece was in the flat..

 

"Joanna went into her flat. She took off her coat, she took off her green fleece that she was wearing under her coat and put it on a chair, she took off her boots and she went into the kitchen.

How did they Know she took off her boots??

She told Rebecca from Swansea, who gave evidence the other day, that she was bored and explored the possibility of travelling to Swansea to see her. The weather ruled it out.
"She texted three other friends, all in an effort to have some company.
"So she said she was bored to Rebecca and she was looking for company, as those text messages so clearly tell us.

... How does Clegg know all this ???

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8836324/Vincent-Tabak-strangled-Joanna-Yeates-after-she-invited-him-in-for-a-drink.html