The Earlier Reports Made about the case

[Leonora]

A fortnight before Christmas is 11th December, the recording referred to would have been on 10th or 12th December 2010. I don't believe Joanna was off work for more than one day (Thursday 16th December 2010). I don't think you can deduce that Mrs Yeates stayed in Clifton for such a long time, but your arguments would still be valid.

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A fortnight before Christmas is 11th December, the recording referred to would have been on 10th or 12th December 2010. I don't believe Joanna was off work for more than one day (Thursday 16th December 2010). I don't think you can deduce that Mrs Yeates stayed in Clifton for such a long time, but your arguments would still be valid.

Thanks for that clarification leonora... you are correct... a fortnight before is at that time and Deal or No deal was recording at that time... which would be around the 12th December 2010...

I retract my inaccuracy....

I until today... alway thought that Joanna mum had stayed with her for a fortnight... can't remember where I saw that info....  So it's irrelevant if I cannot substanciate it....

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Found it.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh8CJfgP8aU&list=PLAF81808321C944F5&index=4


watch it disappear......

AM VERY SORRY TO DIP IN SO LATE  IN THE CENVERSATION BUT I DID WRITE A BOOK ABOUT R V VINCENT TABAK - which is free to download from www.philpapers.org/

NOBODY SEEMS TO CARE THE THE CHARGE AND THE CONVICTION WHERE THAT HE MURDERED HER BETWEEN FRIDAY EVENING TO SUNDAY EVENING. THAT WAS THE CHARGE. THAT WA THE CONVICTION. SALLY RAMAGE at PhilPapers.org

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AM VERY SORRY TO DIP IN SO LATE  IN THE CENVERSATION BUT I DID WRITE A BOOK ABOUT R V VINCENT TABAK - which is free to download from www.philpapers.org/

NOBODY SEEMS TO CARE THE THE CHARGE AND THE CONVICTION WHERE THAT HE MURDERED HER BETWEEN FRIDAY EVENING TO SUNDAY EVENING. THAT WAS THE CHARGE. THAT WA THE CONVICTION. SALLY RAMAGE at PhilPapers.org

Hi Robo and welcome... don't worry about when you arrive all contributions welcome ... 

I will look... at your book... And I agree... about the charge... The whole case is mental... makes No sense whatso ever....  I get sent to distraction the more I look at this case....Dr Vincent Tabak has been treated unfairly... anyone who, has legal status must be able to see that...

please tell us more ....

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AM VERY SORRY TO DIP IN SO LATE  IN THE CENVERSATION BUT I DID WRITE A BOOK ABOUT R V VINCENT TABAK - which is free to download from www.philpapers.org/

NOBODY SEEMS TO CARE THE THE CHARGE AND THE CONVICTION WHERE THAT HE MURDERED HER BETWEEN FRIDAY EVENING TO SUNDAY EVENING. THAT WAS THE CHARGE. THAT WA THE CONVICTION. SALLY RAMAGE at PhilPapers.org

Sally Ramage Papers have been a god send...... I hope she doesn't mind that I quote from them regularly... This Case is wrong on all levels... And I have no knowledge of the law... But anyone can see that using simple logic and common sense... please stay with us Robo and Contribute as much as you can 


Edit.....Well as we know it's impossible to "Murder" someone over 3 days....  Have you talked to anyone about This particular point of the amount of Days Dr Vincent Tabak took to Murder Joanna Yeates ??

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AM VERY SORRY TO DIP IN SO LATE  IN THE CENVERSATION BUT I DID WRITE A BOOK ABOUT R V VINCENT TABAK - which is free to download from www.philpapers.org/

NOBODY SEEMS TO CARE THE THE CHARGE AND THE CONVICTION WHERE THAT HE MURDERED HER BETWEEN FRIDAY EVENING TO SUNDAY EVENING. THAT WAS THE CHARGE. THAT WA THE CONVICTION. SALLY RAMAGE at PhilPapers.org

I had to come back to this .... because I originally remember the charge being between the 16th and 26th December 2010

The clerk then read out the murder charge, which is alleged to have taken place between December 16 and December 26.

Then this peeked my interest...

Tabak then sat down and prosecutor Ann Reddrop stood up.

"My application today is to send this defendant to the Crown Court and the timetable so far sets out a preliminary hearing next Monday, which is January 31," she told the magistrates.

"There is a slot available tomorrow, should the defendant wish to apply for bail, as you now appreciate you are not able to deal with that matter.

"So my application today is to remand this defendant in custody and for him next to appear next Monday, if not sooner."

The court was told that a date for the plea and case management hearing has been fixed for April 29.

How would they be ready to Plan a case management hearing for  'April 29th 2011" when they had no evidence whatsoever against Dr Vincent Tabak.... he hadn't spoken at this point.... No bail had been applied for... Wouldn't this information be bashed out at a different time in court ????

Say at least after the Defendant had applied for Bail.... Or the defendants Lawyers had seen all the evidence ????

How did Ann Reddropp fix the Plea and management case hearing so soon ??? when nothing was determined as to Dr Vincent tabak's Guilt??? Nothing was determined as to how Joanna Yeates had died supposidly at the hands of Dr Vincent Tabak....


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He was remanded in custody for a week to appear next at Bristol Crown Court on the murder charge.

Again... No explanation about his Bail... So from that quote i take it his "Bail Hearing' should have been at "Bristol Crown court".... Again I ask... Why/HOW can they set a date for A Plea And management Case hearing at A Magistrates Court

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jo-yeates-vincent-tabak-in-court-174288

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Did Ann Reddrop fill out one of these forms ??

http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/procedure-rules/criminal/docs/2011/crim-pr-form-part3-pcmh-revised-aug-2011.pdf

Ann Redropp had how long to decide and apply for "A Plea and Case management Hearing"... ?? They had only brought Dr Vincent Tabak to Court to officially charge him... Yet Ann Reddropp has "The Plea and Case management hearing forms".... In The Bag.... How is that possible ???

"So my application today is to remand this defendant in custody and for him next to appear next Monday, if not sooner."

The court was told that a date for the plea and case management hearing has been fixed for April 29.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jo-yeates-vincent-tabak-in-court-174288

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Lets not forget... when changed to The Old Bailey... It was to be for.... 'For Mention" hearing....

Is this the reason that the changes happened ... Dr Vincent Tabak refused to talk... therefore "NO" Plea and management Case hearing could be held ??

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Lets really think about this:....


Dr Vincent Tabak is arrested on Thursday 20th January 2011

Dr Vincent Tabak is charged on Saturday the 22nd January 2011

That leaves Sunday the 23rd January 2011 for Dr Vincent Tabak to twiddle his Thumbs and for Ann Reddropp to make an application for A plea and Management Hearing to be heard on the 29th April 2011 before

Dr Vincent Tabak makes his first appearance in court on Monday 24th January 2011 to hear Ann Reddropp say she has already planned his 'Plea and Management Case hearing... for 29th April 2011...

How is that possible????

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jo-yeates-vincent-tabak-in-court-174288

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I'll keep asking..... what did they do to The Placid Dutchman???? Ann Reddrop freely admits they planned Dr Vincent Tabak's arrest... what else did Ann Reddrop Head of the Complex Crime Unit Plan ???

How would Ann Reddrop know by Monday 24th January 2011 that Dr Vincent Tabak was going to be charged with the Murder of Joanna yeates... to be so prepared we have the date of the 29th April 2011 for A Plea and Case management hearing??

This has to be applied well before Dr Vincent Tabak appears in court... And I'm sure they are not working the weekend to process such forms....

So what made her so confident  that she could say in court that there was going to be A Plea And management Case Hearing on the 29th April 2011


Edit.... Shouldn't it be The Magistrates job just decide on Bail?? Rather than imposing dates as to when "The Plea and Case Management hearing should be ???

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Another thing to check

 

Also present in the dock was a female interpreter, who swore an oath before Tabak was brought into court.

Did everyone see this interpreter??

Maybe there is information somewhere as to the name of this Interpreter having sworn on oath!!!

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jo-yeates-vincent-tabak-in-court-174288

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I now think the question is:

What special dispensations are given to The Complex Crime Unit in regards to dealing with cases, that differ from your run of the Mill Crime ???

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Lets just educate ourselves.....

1. What magistrates do

Magistrates are volunteers who hear cases in courts in their community.

Each case is usually heard by 3 magistrates, including a magistrate who is trained to act as a chairperson.

What was that???? Volunteers??

So how does a Volunteer decide on whether a Plea And case management hearing will take place??

OMG.... I knew I should have turned left to the NVQ's.... I could have been a Magistrate ....

2. Can you be a magistrate?

You need to give up some of your spare time and not everyone can serve as a magistrate.

Qualifications
You don’t need formal qualifications or legal training to become a magistrate.

You will get full training for the role, and a legal adviser in court will help you with questions about the law.

Who advised The Magistrate on The Plea and Case Management Hearing ??

https://www.gov.uk/become-magistrate/can-you-be-a-magistrate

https://www.gov.uk/become-magistrate/what-magistrates-do

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This is bugging me .... How can it already be "FIXED" for the 29th April 2011.. when it is Dr vincent tabak's first appearance in court????

The court was told that a date for the plea and case management hearing has been fixed for April 29.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jo-yeates-vincent-tabak-in-court-174288

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Also.... If A Plea management Case Hearing date is Fixed..... Shouldn't The Judge who deals with the case already be fixed too??

DESIGNATION OF THE TRIAL JUDGE
(i) The assignment of a judge
In any complex case which is expected to last more than four weeks, the trial judge will be assigned under the direction of the Presiding Judges at the earliest possible moment.
Thereafter the assigned judge should manage that case “from cradle to grave”; it is essential that the same judge manages the case from the time of his assignment and that arrangements are made for him to be able to do so. It is recognised that in certain court centres with a large turnover of heavy cases (e.g. Southwark) this objective is more difficult to achieve. But in those court centres there are teams of specialist judges, who are more readily able to handle cases which the assigned judge cannot continue with because of unexpected events; even at such courts, there must be no exception to the principle that one judge must handle all the pre-trial hearings until the case is assigned to another judge.

But Dr Vincent tabak did NOT have the same Judge from Cradle to Grave !!!!!

So which Judge heard all the "Pre Trial Hearing"???  Before we get the Introduction of Judge Field ????


http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/procedure-rules/criminal/pd-protocol/pd_protocol