The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?

[Nicholas]

The way I read it, he was seeing Julie, then Virginia, then Anji. He was two timing Julie but I think Virginia was pretty much finished with him when. Anji picked him up.

The way I see it is Bamber appears to have idealised, devalued & discarded JM several times before she finally went no contact

From memory, research suggests this can happen up to 7 times before a victim finally walks away from this type of abuse

It states 7 times here too https://www.thehotline.org/2013/06/10/50-obstacles-to-leaving-1-10/

“Leaving is not easy. On average, it takes a victim seven times to leave before staying away for good. Exiting the relationship is most unsafe time for a victim. As the abuser senses that they’re losing power, they will often act in dangerous ways to regain control over their victim.

[Nicholas]

I think he'll certainly try but MN is perhaps wise to it. I have not seen MN use the word "innocent" or "proof" in regard to Bamber at all, preferring ambiguous terms "the new evidence strongly suggests the chain of events were not... etc.. I think McKay tried to avoid egg on his face in a similar way.

Yep

[Myster]

If it was Virginia why has Anji suggested otherwise ?

“”Anji later told the Sun that she and Jeremy had become lovers before his arrest and it was their affair, rather than with her sister, that had led to Julie being so inflamed with jealousy that she named him as the murderer.””
(Courtesy of Carol Ann Lee from her book, ‘The Murders at White House Farm’)
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Rj14BwAAQBAJ&pg=PA317&lpg=PA317&dq=the+sun+anji+greaves+jeremy+bamber&source=bl&ots=h8PnNHTkTl&sig=ACfU3U1NpuMY9WW_GJ0UKEtiEAeZmVwONg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwics4rWi4LpAhWEoFwKHYIID8oQ6AEwBHoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=the%20sun%20anji%20greaves%20jeremy%20bamber&f=false

Sister rivalry?   Charles Marsden in his w/s said Jeremy mentioned that Virginia was going to move into Sheila's old flat with him and that, supposedly, was the subject of her phone call which inflamed Julie.

[Nicholas]

The Secret barrister wrote recently that the idea of a lawyer not wanting to take on a high profile case is laughable, especially a lawyer promoting himself as a champion for MOJs. Think of the publicity!

How much do you think the SB is worth now?

Yes have seen their BS on the cab rank rule too - ‘In practice, the rule has been watered down since its inception’  ergo it’s a fallacy

“The fundamental principle that a barrister, like a cabbie, has to take the first “fare” that arrives. The obvious rationale being to ensure that no-one simply cherrypicks the plum cases (to mangle a fruit metaphor), and to maintain the cherished independence of the bar.
https://thesecretbarrister.com/glossary/

[Nicholas]

Sister rivalry?   Charles Marsden in his w/s said Jeremy mentioned that Virginia was going to move into Sheila's old flat with him and that, supposedly, was the subject of her phone call which inflamed Julie.

But Bamber was and is renowned for telling one person one thing and another person something else entirely

Charles Marsden’s is just one version

What did the sisters say?

[Nicholas]

Charles Marsden in his w/s said Jeremy mentioned that Virginia was going to move into Sheila's old flat with him and that, supposedly, was the subject of her phone call which inflamed Julie.

I’ve not brought into this theory

JM was a victim of Bambers the moment she met him

He didn’t suddenly become a psychopath from point of meeting JM

She, or someone like her, could have been part of his plan from the off ?

[Myster]

But Bamber was and is renowned for telling one person one thing and another person something else entirely

Charles Marsden’s is just one version

What did the sisters say?

Not read or seen any w/s of what either sister said.  Only CAL's interpretation of what occured...

'Brett called at the cafe to remind Jeremy that the antiques dealer was due, so they all returned to the flat.
While the dealer was looking through the items from the farm, the telephone rang.Jeremy answered, speaking ‘in a friendly manner’ to the caller.
‘Who is it?’ Julie asked, growing suspicious.
‘Virginia,’ he said.
Julie knew at once that he meant Virginia Greaves, and asked him to put the phone down.When he carried on talking, she cut the call herself.
They then began to argue and Jeremy admitted he was seeing Virginia.
When the telephone rang again and he answered it, Julie stormed through to Sheila’s bedroom.
‘I was so angry,’ she remembered. ‘I picked up a Chinese box of Jeremy’s and threw it against a mirror, which smashed.’
Still on the line, Virginia heard the splintering glass. ‘What’s that?’ she asked.
Jeremy replied, ‘Oh, Julie just smashing some plates up.’
There was another crash.
‘What’s that?’ asked Virginia again.
‘Julie’s just put her wrists through the window.’
Shocked, Virginia told him definitely, ‘I don’t want anything to do with that and I’ll speak to you some time.’

[Nicholas]

Not read or seen any w/s of what either sister said.  Only CAL's interpretation of what occured...

'Brett called at the cafe to remind Jeremy that the antiques dealer was due, so they all returned to the flat.
While the dealer was looking through the items from the farm, the telephone rang.Jeremy answered, speaking ‘in a friendly manner’ to the caller.
‘Who is it?’ Julie asked, growing suspicious.
‘Virginia,’ he said.
Julie knew at once that he meant Virginia Greaves, and asked him to put the phone down.When he carried on talking, she cut the call herself.
They then began to argue and Jeremy admitted he was seeing Virginia.
When the telephone rang again and he answered it, Julie stormed through to Sheila’s bedroom.
‘I was so angry,’ she remembered. ‘I picked up a Chinese box of Jeremy’s and threw it against a mirror, which smashed.’
Still on the line, Virginia heard the splintering glass. ‘What’s that?’ she asked.
Jeremy replied, ‘Oh, Julie just smashing some plates up.’
There was another crash.
‘What’s that?’ asked Virginia again.
‘Julie’s just put her wrists through the window.’
Shocked, Virginia told him definitely, ‘I don’t want anything to do with that and I’ll speak to you some time.’

Why does it appear Bamber and Mike T have chosen to withhold and not put Virginia Greaves witness statement into the public domain?

It’s similar to the vets statement scenario

“Julie’s just put her wrists through the window.’

If true why didn’t Virginia warn her sister Anji; or did she?

Was Virginia concerned for JM ?

Did JM cut herself?

Was Bamber lying or embellishing ?

What was the date of Virginia’s WS? Had Bamber spoken to her before she’d made it and influenced her thoughts?

[Nicholas]

Not read or seen any w/s of what either sister said.  Only CAL's interpretation of what occured...

'
Jeremy replied, ‘Oh, Julie just smashing some plates up.’
There was another crash.
‘What’s that?’ asked Virginia again.
‘Julie’s just put her wrists through the window.’
Shocked, Virginia told him definitely, ‘I don’t want anything to do with that and I’ll speak to you some time.’
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This reads like JM was in distress and Bamber was making fun of her to someone he’s cheating on her with

[Nicholas]

If it was Virginia why has Anji suggested otherwise ?

“”Anji later told the Sun that she and Jeremy had become lovers before his arrest and it was their affair, rather than with her sister, that had led to Julie being so inflamed with jealousy that she named him as the murderer.””
(Courtesy of Carol Ann Lee from her book, ‘The Murders at White House Farm’)
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Rj14BwAAQBAJ&pg=PA317&lpg=PA317&dq=the+sun+anji+greaves+jeremy+bamber&source=bl&ots=h8PnNHTkTl&sig=ACfU3U1NpuMY9WW_GJ0UKEtiEAeZmVwONg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwics4rWi4LpAhWEoFwKHYIID8oQ6AEwBHoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=the%20sun%20anji%20greaves%20jeremy%20bamber&f=false

How much was Anji paid for her interview with the Sun; presuming she was paid ?

[Nicholas]

9th April 2020 Bamber blogs:

“Thanks for all of your kind emails and letters of support since the outbreak of COVID-19.

We are, like all of you, following strict social distancing measures in the prison. Thanks to all of our key workers at the NHS and emergency services, especially prison officers who show compassion and professionalism at a time that is difficult for all of us.

https://jeremybamber.blogspot.com/]

Does anyone else remember George & him ‘helping’ Peter Hakala ? https://www.redbubble.com/fr/people/georgecmbs/journal?tag_id=george

George Coombs
@GeorgeCoombs17
Yes, I heard only today that things in wakefield and elsewhere are bad-I'd like to see some action-social distancing in e.g wakefield, is a joke
https://mobile.twitter.com/GeorgeCoombs17/status/1253804726187147265


HAKALA V REGINA
https://www.casemine.com/judgement/uk/5a8ff7ad60d03e7f57eb11e0

[Nicholas]

Not read or seen any w/s of what either sister said.  Only CAL's interpretation of what occured...

'Brett called at the cafe to remind Jeremy that the antiques dealer was due, so they all returned to the flat.
While the dealer was looking through the items from the farm, the telephone rang.Jeremy answered, speaking ‘in a friendly manner’ to the caller.
‘Who is it?’ Julie asked, growing suspicious.
‘Virginia,’ he said.
Julie knew at once that he meant Virginia Greaves, and asked him to put the phone down.When he carried on talking, she cut the call herself.
They then began to argue and Jeremy admitted he was seeing Virginia.
When the telephone rang again and he answered it, Julie stormed through to Sheila’s bedroom.
‘I was so angry,’ she remembered. ‘I picked up a Chinese box of Jeremy’s and threw it against a mirror, which smashed.’
Still on the line, Virginia heard the splintering glass. ‘What’s that?’ she asked.
Jeremy replied, ‘Oh, Julie just smashing some plates up.’
There was another crash.
‘What’s that?’ asked Virginia again.
‘Julie’s just put her wrists through the window.’
Shocked, Virginia told him definitely, ‘I don’t want anything to do with that and I’ll speak to you some time.’

Is this really what Virginia said on the phone to Bamber or is this what she told police? 

Was it even Virginia ? Could it have been Anji?

When did she (Virginia) next speak to Bamber ? What’s the back story here?

[Nicholas]

Anji and Virginia Greaves are sisters.  I think JB dated VG briefly at some stage.  Post JM he got together with AG but I think the person phoning when JM smashed a mirror was VG who was calling to rent a room in SC's flat because she worked in London.

The only women I've read about him bedding are Suzette Ford, JM, Anji Greaves (think he might have kept it in the family with her sister Virginia too?) and someone he met at The Chequers on a night out with Charles Marsden but its unclear whether he actually did the biz or not.  Oh and I think JM's friend, Liz Rimmington, claimed he did the biz with her. 

The important thing for me is that no women has ever come forward and said he was violent or abusive.

Without a timeline of when Bamber was ‘bedding’ who the real picture of how he was treating JM at that time isn’t clear

The fact ‘no women’ has come forward doesn’t suggest Bamber wasn’t violent - there could be various reasons why they’ve chosen to not come forward and he’s a convicted mass murderer and child killer after all


As for his abuse of others - it’s all there if you choose to see it

Who did Bamber meet at ‘The Chequers on a night out with Charles Marsden’ ?

What date was that and was this yet another person he cheated on JM with?

[Common sense]

How much do you think the SB is worth now?

Yes have seen their BS on the cab rank rule too - ‘In practice, the rule has been watered down since its inception’  ergo it’s a fallacy

“The fundamental principle that a barrister, like a cabbie, has to take the first “fare” that arrives. The obvious rationale being to ensure that no-one simply cherrypicks the plum cases (to mangle a fruit metaphor), and to maintain the cherished independence of the bar.
https://thesecretbarrister.com/glossary/

I would imagine the SB is worth a few quid but wouldn't like to guess.

Yes, there is probably a big difference between the principle of the cab rank rule and how it works in practice but generally, lawyers aren't remembered for the cases they lost anyway. Mark Newby will be but a footnote in the lastest failed attempt at appeal but will be a hero in the MOJ movement for even taking it on, drumming up plenty of business in the process.

[Caroline]

Why does it appear Bamber and Mike T have chosen to withhold and not put Virginia Greaves witness statement into the public domain?

It’s similar to the vets statement scenario

“Julie’s just put her wrists through the window.’

If true why didn’t Virginia warn her sister Anji; or did she?

Was Virginia concerned for JM ?

Did JM cut herself?

Was Bamber lying or embellishing ?

What was the date of Virginia’s WS? Had Bamber spoken to her before she’d made it and influenced her thoughts?

There are a lot of statements missing, probably some bias going on but to be fair, we wouldn't have what we have is Mike didn't post them - like him or loathe him.