For Those That Believe JB Guilty...

[Myster]

So easy to diss a serious case analyst like David1819 with no evidence to contradict.
Pathetic and against the intent of this forum to establish the science that describes the crime scene.

There's no evidence either in his secret theory to contradict because he refuses to discuss it. Like the Emperor's new clothes, crowds gathered, admired and applauded, then sauntered off disappointed and disillusioned because there was only minor appendage to see.

[Samson]

There's no evidence either in his secret theory to contradict because he refuses to discuss it. Like the Emperor's new clothes, crowds gathered, admired and applauded, then sauntered off disappointed and disillusioned because there was only minor appendage to see.

David 1819 is by far the most serious case analyst I have had the pleasure to follow since Holly Goodhead is by far the most serious case analyst I have had the pleasure to follow.
Thank you David and Holly for your work.
Nostalgia-NZ has been banned here, but is a key player in the Lundy hoax, who will be released.

[Holly Goodhead]

Bamber's sights were fixed to the rifle by the gunsmith, so not extra, and there's no evidence that they had been detached since they were bought until shortly before the murders. Once removed they're also a pain and time-consuming to zero in again, having had experience of exactly the same Nikko-Stirling model myself.

The Anshutz rifle was purchased and owned by NB as licence holder along with the Nikko telescopic sight and Parker Hale silencer.  The telescopic sights and silencer being optional extras.  JB thought the gunsmith set the sights for 200 yards.  If the rifle was as good as uselss without the telescopic sight then surely Anshutz would build in as standard at the factory?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=531.0;attach=1673

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=296.0;attach=1270

The fact Anthony Pargeter claimed he saw the rifle a week of so before the murders with sights and silencer attached is surely neither here nor there?  JB said the rifle would not fit in its case with the silencer on.  AP also said the rilfe looked new and was unmarked.  How long would it stay in this condition if it was left hanging about uncased?     

The rifle has a built in sight as per my post above and this is more than sufficient for shooting vermin visible around the yard.  In this vid the famer talks about shooting jackdaws at 35 and 47 yards using a range finder to gauge the distance.  If a farmer needs telescopic sights for these sorts of distances I would recommend a visit to Specsavers or a change of career forthwith!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hazYkd9hlT8   

[Holly Goodhead]

As posted above the Anshutz rifle comes factory fitted with iron sights aka open sights.  When the rifle was purchased NB also purchased a telescopic sight.  The following vid discusses the advanatages/disadvantages of iron sights v telescopic sights:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOWQ-TF6SGg

Even if AP was correct in his recollection that the telescopic sights were fitted to the rifle when he visited WHF on w/e of 27th/28th Jul, some 10 days before the murders, I really don't understand why this is deemed relevant?

[Holly Goodhead]

Did you notice the word 'humanely' in Myster's post? If he'd had sights on the rifle, he might have gotten a head shot and not had to shoot the poor thing TWICE!

The Anshutz rifle comes factory fitted with iron sights which are more than adequate for shooting bunnies around the yard.  See parts 1 - 5 in the following:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8100.0;attach=9254

[Holly Goodhead]

Bah Lydia doesn't need a scope for 250 yards plus  *&*%£

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX2pcF3i4tE

[Holly Goodhead]

The Anshutz rifle comes factory fitted with iron sights which are more than adequate for shooting bunnies around the yard.  See parts 1 - 5 in the following:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8100.0;attach=9254

There's also a factory fitted rear sight too.  See parts 6 and 7:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8100.0;attach=9254

[Myster]

The Anshutz rifle was purchased and owned by NB as licence holder along with the Nikko telescopic sight and Parker Hale silencer.  The telescopic sights and silencer being optional extras.  JB thought the gunsmith set the sights for 200 yards.  If the rifle was as good as uselss without the telescopic sight then surely Anshutz would build in as standard at the factory?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=531.0;attach=1673

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=296.0;attach=1270

The fact Anthony Pargeter claimed he saw the rifle a week of so before the murders with sights and silencer attached is surely neither here nor there?  JB said the rifle would not fit in its case with the silencer on.  AP also said the rilfe looked new and was unmarked.  How long would it stay in this condition if it was left hanging about uncased?     

The rifle has a built in sight as per my post above and this is more than sufficient for shooting vermin visible around the yard.  In this vid the famer talks about shooting jackdaws at 35 and 47 yards using a range finder to gauge the distance.  If a farmer needs telescopic sights for these sorts of distances I would recommend a visit to Specsavers or a change of career forthwith!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hazYkd9hlT8

Jeremy Bamber claimed the rifle was his, and if it had been set for a 200 yard range when bought, then that's an awfully long way just to shoot rabbits in the WHF back yard. So presumably it was on for 9 months coming to no harm and serving its proper purpose, distance shooting in the fields, then all of a sudden relegated to the back of a cupboard?

Back in 1985 there were few weapons manufacturers fitting telescopic sights... Eley didn't, because it was a specialised field best left to optical manufacturers and buyers to decide which was best for them.

The rifle was left hanging about... remember Nevill's - "Best not make it too easy for the next generation to follow" - remark to his brother-in-law. He sussed out what could and did happen.

[Myster]

As posted above the Anshutz rifle comes factory fitted with iron sights aka open sights.  When the rifle was purchased NB also purchased a telescopic sight.  The following vid discusses the advanatages/disadvantages of iron sights v telescopic sights:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOWQ-TF6SGg

Even if AP was correct in his recollection that the telescopic sights were fitted to the rifle when he visited WHF on w/e of 27th/28th Jul, some 10 days before the murders, I really don't understand why this is deemed relevant?

Pointless and useless video! He managed only two out ten on target with the default fixed sights!!!... and hadn't even bothered to adjust or zero-in the telescopic.

It's relevant because the plan was to kill all the family at close range within the confined space of a bedroom and an attached sight would hinder that.

[Myster]

Bah Lydia doesn't need a scope for 250 yards plus  *&*%£

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX2pcF3i4tE

What do they say about golf - A good spoil walked?

[Caroline]

David 1819 is by far the most serious case analyst I have had the pleasure to follow since Holly Goodhead is by far the most serious case analyst I have had the pleasure to follow.
Thank you David and Holly for your work.
Nostalgia-NZ has been banned here, but is a key player in the Lundy hoax, who will be released.

Think you need to get things into perspective mate!

[Holly Goodhead]

Jeremy Bamber claimed the rifle was his, and if it had been set for a 200 yard range when bought, then that's an awfully long way just to shoot rabbits in the WHF back yard. So presumably it was on for 9 months coming to no harm and serving its proper purpose, distance shooting in the fields, then all of a sudden relegated to the back of a cupboard?

Back in 1985 there were few weapons manufacturers fitting telescopic sights...Eley didn't, because it was a specialised field best left to optical manufacturers and buyers to decide which was best for them.

The rifle was left hanging about... remember Nevill's - "Best not make it too easy for the next generation to follow" - remark to his brother-in-law. He sussed out what could and did happen.

Where does JB say the rifle was his?  We don't know the reason NB purchased the rifle.  Once a scope is sighted-in adjustments will need to be made by the shooter dependant on the target.  We don't know whether the scope was usually on or off.  The fact AP claimed he saw it on one w/e in July 1985 means squat.  Why not ask others eg the housekeeper, Jean Boutell, or farm worker Len Foakes who were present inside and outside the farm several times a week.  Even if it was usually on its hardly compelling evidence of anything?

If NB feared he was going to be shot I am surprised he didn't take more care with his firearms and store them in a proper gun cupboard. 
 

[Holly Goodhead]

Pointless and useless video! He managed only two out ten on target with the default fixed sights!!!... and hadn't even bothered to adjust or zero-in the telescopic.

It's relevant because the plan was to kill all the family at close range within the confined space of a bedroom and an attached sight would hinder that.

How would the attached sight be a hindrance but not the silencer which would extend the length of the rifle by some 7"?

[Holly Goodhead]

Think you need to get things into perspective mate!

What do you think of our signature tune:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9gKyRmic20

[Myster]

Where does JB say the rifle was his?  We don't know the reason NB purchased the rifle.  Once a scope is sighted-in adjustments will need to be made by the shooter dependant on the target.  We don't know whether the scope was usually on or off.  The fact AP claimed he saw it on one w/e in July 1985 means squat.  Why not ask others eg the housekeeper, Jean Boutell, or farm worker Len Foakes who were present inside and outside the farm several times a week.  Even if it was usually on its hardly compelling evidence of anything?

If NB feared he was going to be shot I am surprised he didn't take more care with his firearms and store them in a proper gun cupboard. 
 

In a police interview or statement, can't be bothered searching it out right now, but trust me.

The rifle?...  a pre-Christmas present, as a substitute for the repeater shotgun which he queried the Eatons about and they pooh-poohed.

Once zeroed-in, only little adjustment is necessary by turning the focusing ring.

Even Nevill would find it hard to believe that his son was hatching a plan to shoot him, which is why he was tardy in storing any weapons away.