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Offline steve_trousers

Re: For Those That Believe JB Guilty...
« Reply #120 on: May 11, 2017, 03:28:09 PM »
I'm convinced a soc reconstruction put together by experts will show NB was shot on the landing stairs/main stairs.  If I'm right on this it will show the defence at trial and 2002 were incompetent and negligent. 
good luck with your soc reconstruction put together by experts, it's the breakthrough we've all been waiting for

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FFS Is it that difficult to consider the phone call may have come before any shooting started and go off and look for the evidence  8()(((@#  Or at the very least challenge the prosecutions assumption.

Yes, it is. If she had not started shooting then naturally Nevill would have simply have attempted to disarm his feeble daughter without the need to call his playboy son.

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We are told:

Geoffrey Rivlin - "Counsel with the experience of Mr Rivlin QC, and with his acknowledged reputation for thoroughness,..." 

Ed Lawson - "the cleverest of the clever"

Michael Turner - “a barrister who can secure results no others could”,

His defence team were splendid, they did a sterling job and almost persuaded the jury to let Jeremy off the hook. In the face of a mountain of forensic, physical and circumstantial evidence which proved Sheila could not possibly have been the perpetrator.
 
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: For Those That Believe JB Guilty...
« Reply #121 on: May 11, 2017, 03:40:59 PM »
The forensic evidence that Nevill was shot in the bedroom, was that the casings were found in the bedroom.

Nevill was also found bare footed in his pyjamas. Which suggests he was shot straight after getting out of bed. Which would match a Bamber massacre attempt.

NB sustained 4 gsw's upstairs.  1 casing was found on the landing, another on the transition strip (carpet gripper between landing and bedroom) with a further 2 just inside the bedroom door.  As previously pointed out the direction of the barrel and casing ejection port largely determine the location of casings.  The location of these casings is entirely consistent with NB sustaining his upstairs gsw's on the landing stairs and/or main stairs.  Casings are just one aspect.  Other aspects such as lack of NB's blood in the bedroom, estimated distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks all support NB sustaining his upstairs gsw's on the landing stairs and/or main stairs. The totality of the physical evidence overwhelmingly supports the proposition NB sustained his upstairs gsw's as suggested.  If you disagree please provide the expert testimony explaining otherwise.

- There's no evidence the defence or prosecution attempted to reconstruct the soc. 

- The defence did not even visit WHF. 

- Dr Vanezis did not complete his autopsy report until 30th Sept which was after JB had been charged with 5 murders.

- Dr Vanezis completed a further report dated 7th May 1986 which details the trajectories of the facial gsw's.  He even gives a clue by saying NB may have been standing (or words to this effect) when he sustained these wounds.  NB was 6' 4".  SC 5'7.5" and JB 6'0".  How can NB have been standing within the bedroom and sustained the lip and jaw gsw's which were inflicted 20 degrees below the horizontal?  The barrel was pointing very slightly downwards and given the heights of victims and perp this has to mean the perp was elevated.  The only elevation that fits with all the other physical evidence is the stairs. 

- NB's slippers can be seen in soc photos but they are not neatly by his bed.  I think one or both are under a nearby chair.  If he was woken by SC he would not have wanted to disturb June by rummaging about, putting lights on etc so simply left his bedroom.  It was the height of summer so no real need for slippers and dressing gown.  I hate slippers and haven't had a pair since childhood.  Defence lawyers should not be making silly assumptions.  Michael Turner QC trying to explain the lack of blood on the phone by saying the police inadvertently removed it by dialling out!  If you've got defence counsel like this it's only going to go one way and that's back to jail!

- There's no evidence any expert entered WHF other that Dr Vanezis.  He said it was just an 'out of interest' visit.

- Afaik no one even produced scaled drawings. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: For Those That Believe JB Guilty...
« Reply #122 on: May 11, 2017, 04:20:30 PM »
good luck with your soc reconstruction put together by experts, it's the breakthrough we've all been waiting for

Steve if you want to see a good game of footy:

https://ticketingcontent.thefa.com//FA%20Womens%20Cup%20Final%202017

Better late than never I guess. Clearly a reconstruction should have been carried out pre-trial.

Yes it is. If she had not started shooting then naturally Nevill would have simply have disarmed his feeble daughter without the need to call his playboy son.

Where's the evidence SC was "feeble"?

If SC hadn't started shooting then NB may have attempted to disarm SC but it seems SC went upstairs shot June whilst NB was downstairs and then shot NB on the landing/main stairs.

His defence team was splendid, they did a sterling job and almost got Jeremy off the hook, in the face of a mountain of forensic, physical and circumstantial evidence which proves Sheila could not possibly have been the perpetrator.

The case would never have got to trial without the silencer AND JM.  If the silencer can be undermined JB will walk as there's nothing left other than an unreliable prosecution witness:

http://www.itnsource.com/shotlist//ITN/2001/03/12/BSP120301024/?s=jeremy+bamber&st=0&pn=1

In the fullness of time the defence at trial and 2002 appeal will be seen as exceptionally poor.  Hopefully those involved will not get off as lightly as David Waddington did over his bungling of the Stefan Kizsko case. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Myster

Re: For Those That Believe JB Guilty...
« Reply #123 on: May 11, 2017, 07:32:30 PM »
- Afaik no one even produced scaled drawings.

I've snipped all the other nonsense above that about Nevill being shot on the stairs, because it's becoming repetitive, tiresome and easily challenged. He was more likely to have been wounded in bed and while escaping the bedroom from the casing evidence alone.

What we have available to us drawing-wise is miniscule. There must have been more plans drawn to scale available at the trial in '85. Andrew Hunter is seen here examining a photo file from the Stokenchurch Enquiry, so maybe those plans and dimensions in imperial were taken from the originals...

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It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline steve_trousers

Re: For Those That Believe JB Guilty...
« Reply #124 on: May 11, 2017, 08:11:15 PM »
Steve if you want to see a good game of footy:

I don't care if it's dire as long as Birmingham beat Man city. I'm only 5 stops from Wembley so if your going pop in for tea and a scone.

Where's the evidence SC was "feeble"?

oh come on Holly. It's not a sex thing but you only have to look at photo's to see she was pathetically feeble compared to an unwounded Nevill. He would have laughed and made to grab the gun off her before calling his playboy son to come and assist disarming her.

The case would never have got to trial without the silencer AND JM.  If the silencer can be undermined JB will walk as there's nothing left other than an unreliable prosecution witness:

http://www.itnsource.com/shotlist//ITN/2001/03/12/BSP120301024/?s=jeremy+bamber&st=0&pn=1

In the fullness of time the defence at trial and 2002 appeal will be seen as exceptionally poor.  Hopefully those involved will not get off as lightly as David Waddington did over his bungling of the Stefan Kizsko case.

I think the time for that is long passed, there is little interest in the case any more and even though you are right about the silencer and JM's evidence, there is still a veritable mountain of circumstantial and physical evidence which shored up the case against him
 
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: For Those That Believe JB Guilty...
« Reply #125 on: May 11, 2017, 08:25:37 PM »
I've snipped all the other nonsense above that about Nevill being shot on the stairs, because it's becoming repetitive, tiresome and easily challenged. He was more likely to have been wounded in bed and while escaping the bedroom from the casing evidence alone.

If WHF had taken place in the US a team of experts would reconstruct the soc to establish what happened in terms of location of perp and victims as they did here in the JFK reconstruction:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5JDhi4URds
 
Where's the expert evidence that NB was shot in the bedroom?  If we had some expert evidence to this effect my ramblings could be easily challenged and dismissed.

What we have available to us drawing-wise is miniscule. There must have been more plans drawn to scale available at the trial in '85. Andrew Hunter is seen here examining a photo file from the Stokenchurch Enquiry, so maybe those plans and dimensions in imperial were taken from the originals...

Well spotted looks like some scaled drawings exist but were they used pre-trial?
« Last Edit: May 11, 2017, 08:30:11 PM by Holly Goodhead »
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: For Those That Believe JB Guilty...
« Reply #126 on: May 11, 2017, 09:14:38 PM »
I think the time for that is long passed, there is little interest in the case any more and even though you are right about the silencer and JM's evidence, there is still a veritable mountain of circumstantial and physical evidence which shored up the case against him

Man City Women are sublime.  Not to mention my namesake  8(>((

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmxWVRm_FI4

Thanks for the invite.  Can I bring the girls and clotted cream along?

How did Tracie Andrews overpower Lee Harvey with a pen knife?  Andrews stabbed LH over 30 times until she killed him.  Women can be aggressive.  They are not always sweetness and light swooning all over the place as depicted in Jane Eyre.  Lee Harvey looks a fit young guy and physically far more powerful than Andrews.  A rifle is clearly more lethal than a knife.  NB wasn't Superman. 

I agree there's little interest in the case at this moment in time.  The Bamber board here is lucky to have 30 max guests/members at any one time.  Whereas the McCann board regularly attracts circa 200.  Once the case turns all manner of people will jump on board across the globe.  Our cousins across the pond will be particularly interested given the firearms aspect and the Royal connection.   
« Last Edit: May 12, 2017, 08:16:05 PM by John »
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: For Those That Believe JB Guilty...
« Reply #127 on: May 11, 2017, 09:27:02 PM »
Forgot to add the pic.  Half watching Man Utd v Celta Viga.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline steve_trousers

Re: For Those That Believe JB Guilty...
« Reply #128 on: May 11, 2017, 09:29:39 PM »
Man City Women are sublime.  Not to mention my namesake  8(>((

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmxWVRm_FI4

Thanks for the invite.  Can I bring the girls and clotted cream along?

How did Tracie Andrews overpower Lee Harvey with a pen knife?  Andrews stabbed LH over 30 times until she killed him.  Women can be aggressive.  They are not always sweetness and light swooning all over the place as depicted in Jane Eyre.  Lee Harvey looks a fit young guy and physically far more powerful than Andrews.  A rifle is clearly more lethal than a knife.  NB wasn't Superman. 

I agree there's little interest in the case at this moment in time.  The Bamber board here is lucky to have 30 max guests/members at any one time.  Whereas the McCann board regularly attracts circa 200.  Once the case turns all manner of people will jump on board across the globe.  Our cousins across the pond will be particularly interested given the firearms aspect and the Royal connection.

You are more than welcome to bring the girls, but I will supply the clotted cream. Bring David and Samson too they can wash my car while we have it out over a cuppa.

Re: Tracie Andrews I remember it well, the two cases can't be compared really she slashed him across the neck and severed his jugular, before proceeding to stab him multiple times.

So she got 'lucky' for want of a better word. Having said that she seems a formidable woman I wouldn't want to meet her in a dark alley!

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Offline adam

Re: For Those That Believe JB Guilty...
« Reply #129 on: May 11, 2017, 11:00:14 PM »
Tracey Andrews also called the police and tried to implicate another person. A non existent road rage driver. She also pleaded 'not guilty' in court & testified. As Bamber did.

Lee Harvey's parents suspected Andrews from the start. A bit like AE & co.

Tracey Andrews crime was a spur of the moment crime, rather than planned. The police latched onto her quicker than they did with Bamber.
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: For Those That Believe JB Guilty...
« Reply #130 on: May 13, 2017, 01:47:14 PM »
You are more than welcome to bring the girls, but I will supply the clotted cream. Bring David and Samson too they can wash my car while we have it out over a cuppa.

Re: Tracie Andrews I remember it well, the two cases can't be compared really she slashed him across the neck and severed his jugular, before proceeding to stab him multiple times.

So she got 'lucky' for want of a better word. Having said that she seems a formidable woman I wouldn't want to meet her in a dark alley!

David is too busy producing diagrams based on my reconstruction!  What's wrong with my paper and pencil one here? 

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6883.msg293857#msg293857   

I've seen a wide variety of figures quoted for the number of stab wounds LH sustained.  Typically ranging from 30 - 42.  Where does the severed jugular feature?  I've attached an image of the murder weapon. 

I have never understood the argument that NB would simply have relieved SC of the rifle.

Women are capable of aggressive and violent acts whether they suffer mental illness or not. 

http://isciencemag.co.uk/news/new-research-on-domestic-violence-against-men/
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: For Those That Believe JB Guilty...
« Reply #131 on: May 13, 2017, 01:56:22 PM »
Tracey Andrews also called the police and tried to implicate another person. A non existent road rage driver. She also pleaded 'not guilty' in court & testified. As Bamber did.

Lee Harvey's parents suspected Andrews from the start. A bit like AE & co.

Tracey Andrews crime was a spur of the moment crime, rather than planned. The police latched onto her quicker than they did with Bamber.

Andrews confessed some 2 years into her sentence.  Although she pleaded self-defence despite the fact she inflicted a stab wound to LH's back.  Hope she had to undergo lots of anger managment in prison. 

LH's father suspected Andrews from the off but his mother wanted to believe her.

Andrews sustained at least one black eye.  Gross.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Myster

Re: For Those That Believe JB Guilty...
« Reply #132 on: May 13, 2017, 02:40:17 PM »
Andrews confessed some 2 years into her sentence.  Although she pleaded self-defence despite the fact she inflicted a stab wound to LH's back.  Hope she had to undergo lots of anger managment in prison. 

LH's father suspected Andrews from the off but his mother wanted to believe her.

Andrews sustained at least one black eye.  Gross.

Underbite corrected on the NHS whilst in prison at a cost of £5000!!!  Lee Harvey's mother was  8()(((@#
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: For Those That Believe JB Guilty...
« Reply #133 on: May 13, 2017, 02:43:07 PM »
Underbite corrected on the NHS whilst in prison at a cost of £5000!!!  Lee Harvey's mother was  8()(((@#

I assume it was on medical grounds rather than cosmetic?
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline adam

Re: For Those That Believe JB Guilty...
« Reply #134 on: May 13, 2017, 02:49:26 PM »
Andrews confessed some 2 years into her sentence.  Although she pleaded self-defence despite the fact she inflicted a stab wound to LH's back.  Hope she had to undergo lots of anger managment in prison. 

LH's father suspected Andrews from the off but his mother wanted to believe her.

Andrews sustained at least one black eye.  Gross.

Lee Harvey must have been stabbed in the back at the beginning of the 42 stabs frenzy from Andrews.

Once he realised what was happening, he was too injured to react. An enraged Andrews would be formidable.
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