For Those That Believe JB Guilty...

[John]

Yes NB was a WW2 veteran and it makes no sense to me that if JB opened fire in the master bedroom he would squander 5 or 6 bullets on June, a petite woman of perhaps a slightly anxious disposition, and allow his greatest adversary to escape the bedroom. 

We don't know that SC was waving a .22 in front of NB's nose.  I read a post on Blue the other day suggesting SC may have locked herself in the downstairs bathroom with the rifle.  In this scenario what was NB to do break the door down?  Maybe he called JB for assistance.  Meanwhile SC left the bathroom and went upstairs and shot June with NB leaving the phone on the kitchen top and then sustaining his upstairs gsw's on the landing stairs/main stairs which is what the physical evidence suggests.

I would suggest Jeremy Bamber stormed into the master bedroom, shot June in the face and then turned the rifle on Nevill as he approached him emptying the magazine.  Jeremy Bamber then had to retreat downstairs to reload and was followed by a wounded Nevill who staggered down the main staircase leaving spots of blood on the wall.  Reaching the kitchen he met up with Jeremy Bamber again and the struggle over the rifle ensued smashing a light fitting and scattering crockery from the kitchen table.   

[Holly Goodhead]

I would suggest Jeremy Bamber stormed into the master bedroom, shot June in the face and then turned the rifle on Nevill as he approached him emptying the magazine.  Jeremy Bamber then had to retreat downstairs to reload and was followed by a wounded Nevill who staggered down the main staircase leaving spots of blood on the wall.  Reaching the kitchen he met up with Jeremy Bamber again and the struggle over the rifle ensued smashing a light fitting and scattering crockery from the kitchen table.

When you say shot June in the face I assume you mean the gsw between her eyes and/or the gsw above her ear?  If so then no I disagree.  We know June was able to walk around the bed having sustained some of her gsw's evidenced by forensic testing of the blood trail on the carpet around the bed.  However the pathological evidence makes clear the two gsw's to her head/face rendered her incapable of voluntary movement thereafter. 

NB's gsw's sustained in bed are difficult to reconcile.  At least 5 or 6 of the casings June's side of the bed pertain to her wounds.  I doubt many will contest this.  How can any of DRH/3 /4 /13 and /14 pertain to NB's gsw's if sustained in bed?  The gsw's to NB's shoulder and elbow/chest were to his rear.  All of NB's upstairs gsw's had downward trajectories.  None of NB's blood was found within the bedroom eg carpet or bedding. 
 

[Holly Goodhead]

Jeremy Bamber had marks on his arm.

First I've heard of this?

[steve_trousers]

First I've heard of this?

I have, think It was the police officer who went to see JB several hours later and watched him eating a fry up.

It's in Blood relations by roger wilkes but for sure that's not the only place I have come across it

[Holly Goodhead]

I have, think It was the police officer who went to see JB several hours later and watched him eating a fry up.

It's in Blood relations by roger wilkes but for sure that's not the only place I have come across it

AE states in her wit stat that she had a good look at JB's arm(s) and was surprised to see no marks.  It seems this was Friday 9th August.

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[steve_trousers]

Well, a police officer said he saw marks on Jeremy's arm the morning after and we must sit up and take notice of that.

It is interesting that Ann didn't see any marks a few days later, perhaps she just missed them. That seems more likely than a police officer making it up in the first place.

[Myster]

Bamber told DB that he had two small cuts on his right hand through working on the farm and showed him, but DB was too far away to see. They were discussing the fight in the kitchen beforehand.

[Holly Goodhead]

Well, a police officer said he saw marks on Jeremy's arm the morning after and we must sit up and take notice of that.

It is interesting that Ann didn't see any marks a few days later, perhaps she just missed them. That seems more likely than a police officer making it up in the first place.

More than happy to consider this if you find a source?

AE observed JB's arm(s) on 9th Aug.  This was some 3 days after the murders.  AE said he was wearing a short sleeved shirt.  Why would he wear short sleeves if he was sporting defence wounds? 

JM makes no mention of any marks to his person.  He was seen by others at CC's house over the w/e of 10th/11th Aug with a towel around his waist no one observed any marks to his person.  On w/e of 17th/18th he went windsurfing with JM and another couple no one observed any marks to his person. 

[Holly Goodhead]

Bamber told DB that he had two small cuts on his right hand through working on the farm and showed him, but DB was too far away to see. They were discussing the fight in the kitchen beforehand.

This was dealt with at the 2002 appeal hearing and dismissed.

Ground 13.  Point 445.

http://www.homepage-link.to/justice/judgements/Bamber/index.html

445. The starting point for such consideration is the fact that at no point during the trial was any evidence led from any witness, nor any witness cross-examined, to establish or suggest that the appellant had at any material time had any scars or scratches on his hands. Indeed, on the hand-written postcard note from Ann Eaton (CAE/4) which was disclosed at trial, the entry for the 8 August recorded "No scratches on his hands - no shaking at all".

[John]

Then there was the blood under the seat in Nevill's car which Jeremy Bamber was using and on a bathrobe at Bourtree Cottage in Goldhanger.

[adam]

The forensic evidence isn't important.

Supporters have said over the last two days Bamber is innocent because Julie identified the twins.

[Holly Goodhead]

Then there was the blood under the seat in Nevill's car which Jeremy Bamber was using and on a bathrobe at Bourtree Cottage in Goldhanger.

The biologist from FSS, John Hayward, considered the bloodstains on NB's car seat "of little relevance".

Here's the info re blood tests on the car and bathrobe.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=276.0;attach=935

I thought the prosecution argued JB wore a wetsuit and used June's bike.  On this basis I don't really see the relevance with NB's car and JB's bathrobe?  Is anyone suggesting JB wore his bathrobe and used NB's car as his mode of transport?

[Holly Goodhead]

The forensic evidence isn't important.

Supporters have said over the last two days Bamber is innocent because Julie identified the twins.

You could be forgiven for thinking this based on how poorly the lawyers dealt with it.

I thought JM agreed to view the victims as she believed in the spiritual world and felt she could connect with SC to establish what happened?  This formed part of her trial testimony and Rivlin's cross-examination?  David will post it up. 

I think in an ideal world it would have been better for CC's parents to have identified the twins and RWB and PB to have identified June, NB and SC. 

[APRIL]

You could be forgiven for thinking this based on how poorly the lawyers dealt with it.

I thought JM agreed to view the victims as she believed in the spiritual world and felt she could connect with SC to establish what happened?  This formed part of her trial testimony and Rivlin's cross-examination?  David will post it up. 

I think in an ideal world it would have been better for CC's parents to have identified the twins and RWB and PB to have identified June, NB and SC.

Undoubtedly. But there must have been reticence on everyone's parts for the task to have fallen to Julie.

[Myster]

You could be forgiven for thinking this based on how poorly the lawyers dealt with it.

I thought JM agreed to view the victims as she believed in the spiritual world and felt she could connect with SC to establish what happened?  This formed part of her trial testimony and Rivlin's cross-examination?  David will post it up. 

I think in an ideal world it would have been better for CC's parents to have identified the twins and RWB and PB to have identified June, NB and SC.

According to CC, his father was in just as bad a state as he was on hearing news about the twins.