For Those That Believe JB Guilty...

[mrswah]

I have no idea whether or not JB is guilty or innocent: I am gradually learning more about the case, but am still very much "on the fence".

However, I don't think it is arrogant to believe him innocent. His family members had a motive for wanting him found guilty: they got the inheritance, did they not?  And, from what I have read, I don't like some of them any more than I like JB.  Also, I don't have any great faith in Julie Mugford. As for the police, jury, lawyers, etc, well, I wouldn't like to comment.

I don't believe Sheila would have wanted to kill her twins------but then, Sheila was far from well.

[Samson]

Obviously I can't help gloating at the prospect of the execrable kitty heels being bundled from Tory leadership on the back of her profoundly arrogant and disastrous foray into power mongering.

Her handling of Bamber alone makes this moment sweet.
(I have saved this post for my own enjoyment later, since it may have a short half life here).

[Myster]

Here endeth the political broadcast on behalf of the Samsonite Party... case closed.  With a bit of luck we'll get a Labour Home Sec. who'll give even less of a damn about Bamber than May did.

[Myster]

I have no idea whether or not JB is guilty or innocent: I am gradually learning more about the case, but am still very much "on the fence".

However, I don't think it is arrogant to believe him innocent. His family members had a motive for wanting him found guilty: they got the inheritance, did they not?  And, from what I have read, I don't like some of them any more than I like JB.  Also, I don't have any great faith in Julie Mugford. As for the police, jury, lawyers, etc, well, I wouldn't like to comment.

I don't believe Sheila would have wanted to kill her twins------but then, Sheila was far from well.

You need a gentle push off that fence in the guilty direction, mrswah.

To take one example... the rifle scope. To kill any rabbit instantly and therefore humanely from a distance requires an accurate head shot using a telescopic sight, yet none was attached to the rifle on the 7th August, when it had been only a week before, as was witnessed by Anthony Pargeter. The scope was found packed into its polystyrene case, salted away at the back of the gun cupboard, and was detached for one reason only... to make the rifle more manouverable in the confines of a bedroom and enable easier firing at close range with shots to the victims' heads.

Bamber told a pack of lies, all designed to implicate his poorly sister - leaving the rifle out in plain sight so that "Sheila must have seen it as a sign"; emphasizing the loading of a magazine side on to her the night before so that "Sheila had a good view of what I was doing"; the nonsense of his scaremongering to the police before they entered that "Sheila was a psychopath, and had used all the firearms in the house before", when patently she had never done so. Then he overegged the pudding with his fake alibi of the phony phone call to put four miles distance between him and the farm when the incident took place. Muddying the waters about the time and order of his calls to Julie Mugford and the police, when these should have been clear in his mind even four weeks after such a life-changing event. Police found 30 unused bullets on the kitchen worktop, out of a box of 50 which Bamber said he had emptied out to load the magazine the night before. Twenty-five bullets had been fired, so there should have been the same amount left on the worktop... yet when questioned, Bamber had no answer to this simple five extra bullets conundrum, just a "No Comment".

That should be enough to be going on with.

[Samson]

You need a gentle push off that fence in the guilty direction, mrswah.

To take one example... the rifle scope. To kill any rabbit instantly and therefore humanely from a distance requires an accurate head shot using a telescopic sight, yet none was attached to the rifle on the 7th August, when it had been only a week before, as was witnessed by Anthony Pargeter. The scope was found packed into its polystyrene case, salted away at the back of the gun cupboard, and was detached for one reason only... to make the rifle more manouverable in the confines of a bedroom and enable easier firing at close range with shots to the victims' heads.

Bamber told a pack of lies, all designed to implicate his poorly sister - leaving the rifle out in plain sight so that "Sheila must have seen it as a sign"; emphasizing the loading of a magazine side on to her the night before so that "Sheila had a good view of what I was doing"; the nonsense of his scaremongering to the police before they entered that "Sheila was a psychopath, and had used all the firearms in the house before", when patently she had never done so. Then he overegged the pudding with his fake alibi of the phony phone call to put four miles distance between him and the farm when the incident took place. Muddying the waters about the time and order of his calls to Julie Mugford and the police, when these should have been clear in his mind even four weeks after such a life-changing event. Police found 30 unused bullets on the kitchen worktop, out of a box of 50 which Bamber said he had emptied out to load the magazine the night before. Twenty-five bullets had been fired, so there should have been the same amount left on the worktop... yet when questioned, Bamber had no answer to this simple five extra bullets conundrum, just a "No Comment".

That should be enough to be going on with.

Don't take any notice of Myster, mrswah.
He is a young and inexperienced commentator.
The cases that resemble Bamber are legion, and I suggest you read widely to understand what a straightforward replica miscarriage this case is. If you are interested I will list a great reading list that will render you competent with minimal effort.

[Myster]

Don't take any notice of Myster, mrswah.
He is a young and inexperienced commentator.
The cases that resemble Bamber are legion, and I suggest you read widely to understand what a straightforward replica miscarriage this case is. If you are interested I will list a great reading list that will render you competent with minimal effort.

Young?!!!!  Thanks for the compliment!     Just off to swig a few bottles of Phyllosan. 

[Samson]

Young?!!!!  Thanks for the compliment!     Just off to swig a few bottles of Phyllosan. 

Actually I don't recall exactly why I concluded you are younger than me.
I hope you are for sake of pending longevity. 

[mrswah]

Actually I don't recall exactly why I concluded you are younger than me.
I hope you are for sake of pending longevity. 

I dare say I am far older than both of you!!!

I would appreciate that reading list, Samson. Thank you.

[david1819]

You need a gentle push off that fence in the guilty direction, mrswah.

To take one example... the rifle scope. To kill any rabbit instantly and therefore humanely from a distance requires an accurate head shot using a telescopic sight, yet none was attached to the rifle on the 7th August, when it had been only a week before, as was witnessed by Anthony Pargeter. The scope was found packed into its polystyrene case, salted away at the back of the gun cupboard, and was detached for one reason only... to make the rifle more manouverable in the confines of a bedroom and enable easier firing at close range with shots to the victims' heads.

Here is footage of a guy shooting rabbits with no scope. So how many members of his family has he massacred?

https://youtu.be/Soe-jhZhp_I?t=1m48s

Bamber told a pack of lies, all designed to implicate his poorly sister - leaving the rifle out in plain sight so that "Sheila must have seen it as a sign"; emphasizing the loading of a magazine side on to her the night before so that "Sheila had a good view of what I was doing"; the nonsense of his scaremongering to the police before they entered that "Sheila was a psychopath, and had used all the firearms in the house before", when patently she had never done so. Then he overegged the pudding with his fake alibi of the phony phone call to put four miles distance between him and the farm when the incident took place. Muddying the waters about the time and order of his calls to Julie Mugford and the police, when these should have been clear in his mind even four weeks after such a life-changing event. Police found 30 unused bullets on the kitchen worktop, out of a box of 50 which Bamber said he had emptied out to load the magazine the night before. Twenty-five bullets had been fired, so there should have been the same amount left on the worktop... yet when questioned, Bamber had no answer to this simple five extra bullets conundrum, just a "No Comment".

In order to construct a case you need draw an inference/chain of reasoning from facts. What you are doing here is drawing an inference/chain of reasoning from your own assumptions or suspicions. In the end, it proves nothing.

[Caroline]

Here is footage of a guy shooting rabbits with no scope. So how many members of his family has he massacred?

https://youtu.be/Soe-jhZhp_I?t=1m48s



In order to construct a case you need draw an inference/chain of reasoning from facts. What you are doing here is drawing an inference/chain of reasoning from your own assumptions or suspicions. In the end, it proves nothing.

Did you notice the word 'humanely' in Myster's post? If he'd had sights on the rifle, he might have gotten a head shot and not had to shoot the poor thing TWICE!

[Samson]

I dare say I am far older than both of you!!!

I would appreciate that reading list, Samson. Thank you.

Interesting notion mrswah
In my somewhat brief foray into discussing subjects on the internet, I have generally discovered that participants are not that youthful.

The particular books I recommend are

Life after Death by Damien Echolls
Missing Pieces by Ian Wishart
The Final Chapter by Chris Birt.   
Scene of the Crime by Steve Braunias.
Principal Suspect by Coustopolis
Trial by Ambush by Joe Karam
Meticulous or Ridiculous by Geoff Levick. (I can email you this to any address, it is live and describes the greatest miscarriage of justice in New Zealand history, we are deconstructing it with an appeal hearing in Wellington in late October).
Jeremy Bamber did not do the crime discussed here, I promise you.

There are others like Full Circle describing how Gloria Killian was kidnapped and the astronauts mum was activist, Piggyback by Geoffry Jean Doty explaining the Maria Riddulph miscarriage, there are many.
Addictive.
Steven Avery did not kill Teresa Hallbach but R Hillegas did. Brendan Dassey is captive like Jessie Misskelly and Teina Pora before him.

[Holly Goodhead]

Here is footage of a guy shooting rabbits with no scope. So how many members of his family has he massacred?

https://youtu.be/Soe-jhZhp_I?t=1m48s

Most farmers I know don't bother with telescopic sights for shooting rabbits.  The reason given is that if the rabbits are so far out telescopic sights are required it is unlikely they would be spotted in the first place being hidden in grass etc.  Rifles have a built in sight of sorts.  See parts 1,2, 3 and 5.  This ties in with JB's WS where he refers to standard ball and V:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=296.0;attach=1266

I guess this is the reason telescopic sights are sold as an accessory and not as standard.   

Nothing remotely out of the ordinary with JB taking the rifle without scope and silencer to shoot bunnies around the yard.   

[Myster]

Here is footage of a guy shooting rabbits with no scope. So how many members of his family has he massacred?

https://youtu.be/Soe-jhZhp_I?t=1m48s



In order to construct a case you need draw an inference/chain of reasoning from facts. What you are doing here is drawing an inference/chain of reasoning from your own assumptions or suspicions. In the end, it proves nothing.

The collective untruths prove a damn sight more than your mysterious new evidence which you bragged would stimulate debate but had no intention of revealing, and was nothing more than a load of bluster and hot air.

I find it extremely suspicious and telling that the new scope just happened to have been removed and hidden such a short time before the murders.  There's no indication in your video link either of how far the shooter was from the rabbit, but this is how it should be done.

https://youtu.be/O0MGKMjKusQ?t=3m10s

[Samson]

The collective untruths prove a damn sight more than your mysterious new evidence which you bragged would stimulate debate but had no intention of revealing, and was nothing more than a load of bluster and hot air.

I find it extremely suspicious and telling that the new scope just happened to have been removed and hidden such a short time before the murders.  There's no indication in your video link either of how far the shooter was from the rabbit, but this is how it should be done.

https://youtu.be/O0MGKMjKusQ?t=3m10s

So easy to diss a serious case analyst like David1819 with no evidence to contradict.
Pathetic and against the intent of this forum to establish the science that describes the crime scene.

[Myster]

Most farmers I know don't bother with telescopic sights for shooting rabbits.  The reason given is that if the rabbits are so far out telescopic sights are required it is unlikely they would be spotted in the first place being hidden in grass etc.  Rifles have a built in sight of sorts.  See parts 1,2, 3 and 5.  This ties in with JB's WS where he refers to standard ball and V:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=296.0;attach=1266

I guess this is the reason telescopic sights are sold as an accessory and not as standard.   

Nothing remotely out of the ordinary with JB taking the rifle without scope and silencer to shoot bunnies around the yard.

Bamber's sights were fixed to the rifle by the gunsmith, so not extra, and there's no evidence that they had been detached since they were bought until shortly before the murders. Once removed they're also a pain and time-consuming to zero in again, having had experience of exactly the same Nikko-Stirling model myself.