CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles

[G-Unit]

The established fact is that that is what is written in his initial statement (then "clarified" in his second one), not whether what was stated is accurate or not.

In his first statement he entered the apartment through the main door using his key.
In his second statement he entered the apartment by the patio door.

Those are the facts, meaning he changed his story.

[ferryman]

In his first statement he entered the apartment through the main door using his key.
In his second statement he entered the apartment by the patio door.

Those are the facts, meaning he changed his story.

Accounts differ.

But by what mechanism?

[Mr Gray]

In his first statement he entered the apartment through the main door using his key.
In his second statement he entered the apartment by the patio door.

Those are the facts, meaning he changed his story.

no it may have been recorded wrongly the first time

[G-Unit]

You mean apart from when she first raised the concern with the UK family liaison officers as soon as they arrived two or so days after the disappearance?

I don't know what she said to the FLO's, I'm talking about what the PJ knew.

[G-Unit]

After the McCanns had been accused of drugging the twins.

(Accusation also came much later).

I think her suggestion came first, unless you have a cite showing otherwise.

[Admin]

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[Brietta]

According to 'O Enigma' Goncalo Amaral appears to believe himself a world class expert on Madeleine's case; there are those who agree with him; there are those who don't.
However I imagine that very many off topic posts are going to bite the dust from here very soon because no one is discussing 'O Enigma' ... so please may we return to discussing 'O Enigma' and if that is exhausted find a topic that still has some life left in it.
But please stay on topic whatever.
Thank you

[Carana]

It's quite amusing the lengths that people go to in order to 'explain' this statement by Gerry McCann.

Translation issue? He said it, she translated it, she read it back to him in English, he signed it.

Confusion issue? Who was confused?

Who may, or may not, have been confused is an unknown.

Did she read her own notes back to him, point by point? Did she read the full TYPED up statement back to him including "with a key"? Or did the officer simply verbally repeat the general gist back (with any of the three possibly confusing front / back) prior to making a formal copy for him to sign?

No one knows.

Why on earth would Gerry have stated that he took the longer route when they'd left the patio door open precisely to make the checks shorter? In the same initial statement, he stated that he'd exited via the patio *... Surely the officer would have picked up on that at the time if he'd actually said it, don't you think? Why would Kate have contradicted him if they'd been making up a story?

* Correction: Gerry stated: At about 21.30 his friend Matt (member of the group) went to the apartment, where his children were and on his way went to the witness' apartment, entering by means of a glass sliding door that was always unlocked and was located laterally to the building.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN.htm

[Mr Gray]

Who may, or may not, have been confused is an unknown.

Did she read her own notes back to him, point by point? Did she read the full TYPED up statement back to him including "with a key"? Or did the officer simply verbally repeat the general gist back (with any of the three possibly confusing front / back) prior to making a formal copy for him to sign?

No one knows.

Why on earth would Gerry have stated that he took the longer route when they'd left the patio door open precisely to make the checks shorter? In the same initial statement, he stated that he'd exited via the patio... Surely the officer would have picked up on that at the time if he'd actually said it, don't you think? Why would Kate have contradicted him if they'd been making up a story?

That's the point
We simply don't know how accurate the statements are
According to newspaper reports the PJ accepted there were mistakes

[ferryman]

Who may, or may not, have been confused is an unknown.

Did she read her own notes back to him, point by point? Did she read the full TYPED up statement back to him including "with a key"? Or did the officer simply verbally repeat the general gist back (with any of the three possibly confusing front / back) prior to making a formal copy for him to sign?

No one knows.

Why on earth would Gerry have stated that he took the longer route when they'd left the patio door open precisely to make the checks shorter? In the same initial statement, he stated that he'd exited via the patio... Surely the officer would have picked up on that at the time if he'd actually said it, don't you think? Why would Kate have contradicted him if they'd been making up a story?

Vital point.

Who would be first to cry 'rehearsed' if all witness-statements were identical?

Answers on a postcard.

[G-Unit]

Who may, or may not, have been confused is an unknown.

Did she read her own notes back to him, point by point? Did she read the full TYPED up statement back to him including "with a key"? Or did the officer simply verbally repeat the general gist back (with any of the three possibly confusing front / back) prior to making a formal copy for him to sign?

No one knows.

Why on earth would Gerry have stated that he took the longer route when they'd left the patio door open precisely to make the checks shorter? In the same initial statement, he stated that he'd exited via the patio... Surely the officer would have picked up on that at the time if he'd actually said it, don't you think? Why would Kate have contradicted him if they'd been making up a story?

Gerry acknowledged his mistake in his next statement, he didn't deny it.

I don't see your cite supporting your assertion as to why they left the patio door open?

I don't see your cite from 4th May statement showing how Gerry exited the apartment?

How do you know that Kate knew she was contradicting him?

[Mr Gray]

Gerry acknowledged his mistake in his next statement, he didn't deny it.

I don't see your cite supporting your assertion as to why they left the patio door open?

I don't see your cite from 4th May statement showing how Gerry exited the apartment?

How do you know that Kate knew she was contradicting him?

Gerry did not acknowledge his mistake
He never admitted making a mistake as far as I remember

[Mr Gray]

one thing I find odd about the statements is the similarity in parts between Gerry and Kates statement. both statements say that the children did painting and collage etc at the kids club...there are other parts that are almost identical...so what is the explanation for that

they both had the same translator so it seems she simply wrote down her paraphrased version of events....the statements seem lmost identical with just some words changed and the phraseology altered slightly

[Carana]

Gerry acknowledged his mistake in his next statement, he didn't deny it.

I don't see your cite supporting your assertion as to why they left the patio door open?

I don't see your cite from 4th May statement showing how Gerry exited the apartment?

How do you know that Kate knew she was contradicting him?

Correction (I'll amend my post). He didn't say that he left by the patio but that Matt entered via it "by means of a glass sliding door that was always unlocked"

At about 21.30 his friend Matt (member of the group) went to the apartment, where his children were and on his way went to the witness' apartment, entering by means of a glass sliding door that was always unlocked and was located laterally to the building.



The point still remains that there is not reason for him to have taken the long route if the patio door was "always unlocked".

[Benice]

Correction (I'll amend my post). He didn't say that he left by the patio but that Matt entered via it "by means of a glass sliding door that was always unlocked"

At about 21.30 his friend Matt (member of the group) went to the apartment, where his children were and on his way went to the witness' apartment, entering by means of a glass sliding door that was always unlocked and was located laterally to the building.


The point still remains that there is not reason for him to have taken the long route if the patio door was "always unlocked".

Especially if he intended to go to the bathroom.