There were nets that wooshed and drapes on the window

[stephen25000]

Perhaps someone can explain to me , how leaving small children by themselves, with the odd brief check and not protected, in insecure accomodation in a foreign country (or in your own country), is a safe thing to do ?

[G-Unit]

They thought it was safe
I've done it and I thought it was safe
Lots of people have done similar
As I have said people sit in cars with children on their lap
People sleep with babies in there bed
You just have to be the unlucky one

Was this a special apartment posing none of the dangers to small children that normal homes pose?

[sadie]

Perhaps someone can explain to me , how leaving small children by themselves, with the odd brief check and not protected, in insecure accomodation in a foreign country (or in your own country), is a safe thing to do ?

I shudder now and I was very worried then.   Our children didn't have safety belts in the car.  The Law didn't specify them and hubby thought them totally unnecessary.  I had no money so was unable to provide them. 

There but for the Grace of God.

[Eleanor]

God preserve me from the righteous who never made a mistake in all of their lives.

[stephen25000]

Everyone makes mistakes Eleanor.

However, some do admit that and don't blame others for what they themselves have done wrong.

[Eleanor]

Everyone makes mistakes Eleanor.

However, some do admit that and don't blame others for what they themselves have done wrong.

e.g. I heard a little earlier, the leader of the Council in Kensington and Chelsea, blame the tenants in the apartment block for not installing sprinkler systems. He didn't admit, surprisingly enough, that the government, let alone that council had been told by engineers and surveyors, not to install the cladding on the building, which had been shown to be as fire hazard and banned in other countries.

Off Topic.  Please do not pursue this.  Thank You.

[stephen25000]

Off Topic.  Please do not pursue this.  Thank You.

I don't need to and I won't.

It's all over the news.

[Eleanor]

I don't need to and I won't.

It's all over the news.

I am not going to delete this comment, because I feel that it is not on for Moderators to censure Moderators.

Please stop now.

[Robittybob1]

Isn't sitting a child on your lap in a car , whilst in motion or otherwise, a criminal offense ?

It is now but when I was a child it was what happened.  We used to travel on the back of the truck as well, three kids sat down with a blanket behind the cab while mum and dad were in the front dad driving and the twins on mum's lap.  No safety belts in those days.

[G-Unit]

Perhaps someone can explain to me , how leaving small children by themselves, with the odd brief check and not protected, in insecure accomodation in a foreign country (or in your own country), is a safe thing to do ?

Kate McCann didn't even think about it;

"If I'd had to think for one second about it, it wouldn't have happened. I never even had to think like that, to make the decision. It felt so safe that I didn't even have to - I mean, I don't think we took a risk.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/madeleines-parents-we-were-wrong-to-believe-she-was-safe-alone-6610698.html

[stephen25000]

Kate McCann didn't even think about it;

"If I'd had to think for one second about it, it wouldn't have happened. I never even had to think like that, to make the decision. It felt so safe that I didn't even have to - I mean, I don't think we took a risk.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/madeleines-parents-we-were-wrong-to-believe-she-was-safe-alone-6610698.html

Yet they locked the apartment during daytime.

Enough said.

[misty]

"As a child I never imagined that all of the real monsters in the world would be humans".

Who were the real monsters in Madeleine's life?

[Robittybob1]

Kate McCann didn't even think about it;

"If I'd had to think for one second about it, it wouldn't have happened. I never even had to think like that, to make the decision. It felt so safe that I didn't even have to - I mean, I don't think we took a risk.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/madeleines-parents-we-were-wrong-to-believe-she-was-safe-alone-6610698.html

Was this common practice at OC in PdL?  The Tapas 9 had booked a table for the week against normal policy and it was written in note form at the reception of some place, so if it was such an unusual practice why didn't someone warn Kate?

[sadie]

It is now but when I was a child it was what happened.  We used to travel on the back of the truck as well, three kids sat down with a blanket behind the cab while mum and dad were in the front dad driving and the twins on mum's lap.  No safety belts in those days.

I dont think many cars had safety belts at all in the days that mine were babies/young children.  I can remember it becoming Law later that the driver and passengers must have safety belts ... and the uproar as some (stupid) people refused to conform.   

However a friend had child car seats with restraints and I desperately wanted them for my children.  The traffic wasn't so heavy then and I guess I/we were pretty OK drivers cos despite driving to and thru London etc we never had a bump.   Not many women drove in those days.


I made several mistakes with my children, but I was aware and never took them as babies into our bed.  Our son was a dreadful sleeper and I was up all thru the night walking and rocking him or lieing on the carpet by his cot patting him.  It left me like a zombie in the daytime but after seven years and specialists treatment (they did no good, but eventually put him on phenobarbitrates  YIKE! ... I didn't give them to him) suddenly he started sleeping .... Bliss


Nobody, NOBODY  ever held my mistakes against me.

FGS the way some of you keep putting the boot into Tha Mccanns is absolutely appalling


And BTW, Sstephen , it was not immediate but The Mccanns very resoundingly expressed their regret at the mistake they had made.


I think that they (at least Kate) had experienced holidays as children themselves where the BUTLINS type checking was considered OK ... and it took them a while to comprehend the situation fully. 

Kates dad talks about his daughter and son in Law and their "CHALET" in Praia de Luz.   I think it is in his statement.   

BUTLINS Child Checking Service was a member of staff cycling around and listening at each chalet every half hour.  The parents were not involved and could be anywhere on the Butlins site.  Some of them were pretty massive.  My understanding is that they were called back if their child was crying.

[stephen25000]

I dont think many cars had safety belts at all in the days that mine were babies/young children.  I can remember it becoming Law later that the driver and passengers must have safety belts ... and the uproar as some (stupid) people refused to conform.   

However a friend had child car seats with restraints and I desperately wanted them for my children.  The traffic wasn't so heavy then and I guess I/we were pretty OK drivers cos despite driving to and thru London etc we never had a bump.   Not many women drove in those days.


I made several mistakes with my children, but I was aware and never took them as babies into our bed.  Our son was a dreadful sleeper and I was up all thru the night walking and rocking him or lieing on the carpet by his cot patting him.  It left me like a zombie in the daytime but after seven years and specialists treatment (they did no good, but eventually put him on phenobarbitrates  YIKE! ... I didn't give them to him) suddenly he started sleeping .... Bliss


Nobody, NOBODY  ever held my mistakes against me.

FGS the way some of you keep putting the boot into Tha Mccanns is absolutely appalling


And BTW, Sstephen , it was not immediate but The Mccanns very resoundingly expressed their regret at the mistake they had made.


I think that they (at least Kate) had experienced holidays as children themselves where the BUTLINS type checking was considered OK ... and it took them a while to comprehend the situation fully. 

Kates dad talks about his daughter and son in Law and their "CHALET" in Praia de Luz.   I think it is in his statement.   

BUTLINS Child Checking Service was a member of staff cycling around and listening at each chalet every half hour.  The parents were not involved and could be anywhere on the Butlins site.  Some of them were pretty massive.  My understanding is that they were called back if their child was crying.

The duty of taking care of your own children when they are in your charge  is with the parents, no one else.