General discussion about the latest news (not search related)

[mercury]

Terribly difficult subject matter to get your head around IMO if youre a layman ie
The justice system and who and what to trust
And the media always play devils advocate it seems

Pass

[misty]

http://www.abc.es/espana/abci-guardia-civil-tiene-pruebas-suficientes-contra-rubio-desaparicion-yeremi-vargas-201611101313_noticia.html

Translation & another previous report on Yeremi Vargas board.
Looks like the guilty party may have been a local & not the 2 Scots + white van.

[ShiningInLuz]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38111636

UK photographer David Hamilton dies aged 83

"The controversial British photographer David Hamilton, best known for nude images of young girls, has died at his home in Paris at the age of 83.

The circumstances of his death are unclear. Some media reports suggest he killed himself.

Hamilton had recently denied accusations that he had in the past raped some of his teenage models.

He made his name in the 1960s with soft-focus pictures of young girls published by major magazines."

As yet there is no connection to either Madeleine McCann or Portugal.  With another story blossoming in UK media about young footballers being sexually abused by trainers, it paints a picture of what attitudes were like, back in the 'good old days'.

[G-Unit]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38111636

UK photographer David Hamilton dies aged 83

"The controversial British photographer David Hamilton, best known for nude images of young girls, has died at his home in Paris at the age of 83.

The circumstances of his death are unclear. Some media reports suggest he killed himself.

Hamilton had recently denied accusations that he had in the past raped some of his teenage models.

He made his name in the 1960s with soft-focus pictures of young girls published by major magazines."

As yet there is no connection to either Madeleine McCann or Portugal.  With another story blossoming in UK media about young footballers being sexually abused by trainers, it paints a picture of what attitudes were like, back in the 'good old days'.

I think the difference when I was a child was that people didn't have the means to travel like they do now. I was told by other children who to 'stay away from' in the village where I grew up. In my first job I was told never to be alone in an office with the manager.

[stephen25000]

Here is a link to one Mccann backer , and a breakdown of his rubbish.


http://laidbareblog.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/nigel-nesslings-51-questions-to-goncalo_14.html

[misty]

http://metro.co.uk/2016/12/05/portuguese-police-refuse-to-rule-out-new-madeleine-mccann-trafficking-lead-6302510/

Portuguese police chiefs have refused to rule out a new lead in the Madeleine McCann case which claims she was snatched by a gang of European traffickers in 2007.

Policia Judiciaria (PJ) today declined to make any official comment on the weekend trafficking claims being investigated by Scotland Yard.

However bosses say they are ‘completely in tune’ with British detectives and their relationship with the UK police team involved is ‘easy and fluid.’

Funding for the new probe is expected to run out in April, when the case will be reviewed again.

Before this weekend’s trafficking revelations, it was thought the botched burglary claims formed the final line of inquiry.

But Portugal’s Attorney General’s office confirmed today that the last of six ‘letters of request’ Portuguese police had been asked to work on, which is thought to have contained the results of DNA tests, was only completed and sent back on October 25.

Officers in Faro also revealed that they had been expecting to receive a new rogatory letter asking them to arrange a fresh interrogation of four locals questioned as official suspects in July 2014 as part of the botched burglary theory – but so far none has been forthcoming.
There is still work to do. Not all possibilities have been dismissed.

‘There is one line of investigation to be explored and we and Scotland Yard are completely in tune with each other.

‘We are both working on the same line of investigation and are in close contact.’

It was revealed at the weekend that Metropolitan Police officers have briefed Whitehall officials on the progress of the case, according to The Sun.

Reports say that investigators feel it is the ‘last throw of the dice’ in their search for her.


A senior Lisbon-based PJ officer, speaking on condition of anonymity, said: ‘Although we are talking from a formal point of view about two different investigations which are independent of each other, the contacts between the two teams are easy and frequent.

The PJ previously made no secret of their rejection of a theory which claimed Madeleine was kidnapped from her Algarve holiday flat during a bungled burglary.

The latest claims, which are based on a tip that the then three-year-old was taken by traffickers, has seen Scotland Yard given more money to investigate.
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A leak for a leak?

ETA a more detailed report in the Mail
 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4001976/Madeleine-McCann-kidnapped-European-child-trafficking-ring-fear-British-Portuguese-police-forces-say-focusing-theory.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

[Alice Purjorick]

http://metro.co.uk/2016/12/05/portuguese-police-refuse-to-rule-out-new-madeleine-mccann-trafficking-lead-6302510/

Portuguese police chiefs have refused to rule out a new lead in the Madeleine McCann case which claims she was snatched by a gang of European traffickers in 2007.

Policia Judiciaria (PJ) today declined to make any official comment on the weekend trafficking claims being investigated by Scotland Yard.

However bosses say they are ‘completely in tune’ with British detectives and their relationship with the UK police team involved is ‘easy and fluid.’

Funding for the new probe is expected to run out in April, when the case will be reviewed again.

Before this weekend’s trafficking revelations, it was thought the botched burglary claims formed the final line of inquiry.

But Portugal’s Attorney General’s office confirmed today that the last of six ‘letters of request’ Portuguese police had been asked to work on, which is thought to have contained the results of DNA tests, was only completed and sent back on October 25.

Officers in Faro also revealed that they had been expecting to receive a new rogatory letter asking them to arrange a fresh interrogation of four locals questioned as official suspects in July 2014 as part of the botched burglary theory – but so far none has been forthcoming.
There is still work to do. Not all possibilities have been dismissed.

‘There is one line of investigation to be explored and we and Scotland Yard are completely in tune with each other.

‘We are both working on the same line of investigation and are in close contact.’

It was revealed at the weekend that Metropolitan Police officers have briefed Whitehall officials on the progress of the case, according to The Sun.

Reports say that investigators feel it is the ‘last throw of the dice’ in their search for her.


A senior Lisbon-based PJ officer, speaking on condition of anonymity, said: ‘Although we are talking from a formal point of view about two different investigations which are independent of each other, the contacts between the two teams are easy and frequent.

The PJ previously made no secret of their rejection of a theory which claimed Madeleine was kidnapped from her Algarve holiday flat during a bungled burglary.

The latest claims, which are based on a tip that the then three-year-old was taken by traffickers, has seen Scotland Yard given more money to investigate.
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A leak for a leak?

There seems to be an ambivalent attitude toward what constitutes "official comment".

[stephen25000]

Then there's this................


http://blacksmithbureau.blogspot.co.uk/

[misty]

Then there's this................


http://blacksmithbureau.blogspot.co.uk/

What about it?

[Alfie]

What about it?

Smiffy would have you believe that all these latest news stories have been completely invented by the McCanns and Clarence Mitchell, right down to the quotes ascribed to sources with the Met and the PJ.  My question would be - if that's true, what sort of an impression do the McCanns think they are giving Operation Grange by concocting all these tall tales?  Not a very favourable one surely?  Which then leads one to think that they must be very stupid people indeed, either that or perhaps just maybe they are not responsible for these reports after all...?

[misty]

Smiffy would have you believe that all these latest news stories have been completely invented by the McCanns and Clarence Mitchell, right down to the quotes ascribed to sources with the Met and the PJ.  My question would be - if that's true, what sort of an impression do the McCanns think they are giving Operation Grange by concocting all these tall tales?  Not a very favourable one surely?  Which then leads one to think that they must be very stupid people indeed, either that or perhaps just maybe they are not responsible for these reports after all...?

I've just asked B/S on another forum to explain the thinking behind his opinion & will report back if I am deemed worthy of his response.

[Alfie]

Blacksmith and his fan club seem to have convinced themselves that the Met have the McCanns in their sights (tick tock and all that) so for the McCanns to invent stories for the press which tell blatant lies about Operation Grange would have to be verging on insanity.  I'm sure he will manage to conveniently overlook your question Misty.

[slartibartfast]

Smiffy would have you believe that all these latest news stories have been completely invented by the McCanns and Clarence Mitchell, right down to the quotes ascribed to sources with the Met and the PJ.  My question would be - if that's true, what sort of an impression do the McCanns think they are giving Operation Grange by concocting all these tall tales?  Not a very favourable one surely?  Which then leads one to think that they must be very stupid people indeed, either that or perhaps just maybe they are not responsible for these reports after all...?

I guess the Met and PJ would be very disappointed to hear their relationship was good.

[Alfie]

I guess the Met and PJ would be very disappointed to hear their relationship was good.

I don't understand your comment in relation to what I wrote, sorry.

[slartibartfast]

I don't understand your comment in relation to what I wrote, sorry.

It was part of the story which you seemed to think the Met and PJ would be upset about.