General discussion about the latest news (not search related)

[Mr Gray]

In what way does 'no comment' impede an investigation in the UK?  It denies the police access to information.  It suggests to the police that they are on the track of a guilty party.

Both negatives if Madeleine was to get justice.

you state quite clearly that being silent suggests to the police they are on the track of a guilty party...kate wa silent so ...by your logic...that would suggest to the police they are on the track of a guilty party...no distortion whatsoever

[Brietta]

In what way does 'no comment' impede an investigation in the UK?  It denies the police access to information.  It suggests to the police that they are on the track of a guilty party.

Both negatives if Madeleine was to get justice.

Madeleine was never going to 'get justice' if either of her parents had been incarcerated in a Portuguese goal though, was she?

The Policia Judiciaria being convinced they had in their hands the 'guilty party' weren't interested in Madeleine.  Goodness gracious me the lead investigator went to the trouble of writing a book to affirm that.

As has been proven by events ... the only hope Madeleine had was her parents.

The policia Judiciaria had chosen their culprit ... and despite no supporting evidence had decided Madeleine was dead.

[Brietta]

Didn't say that, did I?

But if you have to distort my post to make a point,

 

My reading of your post is exactly how Davel interpreted it.  So as far as two individuals are concerned you actually did say it although not in so many words.

[pathfinder73]

I left my apartment pushing my son's pram so that he could sleep. I did not have a particular direction to follow nor did I have a specific time to do this. I left the apartment and turned right. I walked via the lower street, looked to the building block where the McCann apartment was situated and saw a woman dressed in purple clothing. I referred to this woman in relation to the questions asked by Jane Tanner.

Q. Relative to whether I know Jane Tanner;

Now I know her name, description of the clothes and photos which I have seen in the press. At that time I knew of her as a member of the group but did not know her name. I do not remember having seen her when I spoke with Gerry, but I believe I saw her when I first ventured out. She was stopped on the street in front of one of the group's apartments when I passed her down towards the exit to my apartment. I do not know if it was her apartment or not. I remember that she was wearing the colour purple.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS-ROGATORY.htm

[ShiningInLuz]

Madeleine was never going to 'get justice' if either of her parents had been incarcerated in a Portuguese goal though, was she?

The Policia Judiciaria being convinced they had in their hands the 'guilty party' weren't interested in Madeleine.  Goodness gracious me the lead investigator went to the trouble of writing a book to affirm that.

As has been proven by events ... the only hope Madeleine had was her parents.

The policia Judiciaria had chosen their culprit ... and despite no supporting evidence had decided Madeleine was dead.

I would class that as propaganda.

The McCanns were left free to leave Portugal, which is not what would have happened if they were deemed guilty.

The 'incarcerated parent' mantra wore thin a long time ago.

If charged, the McCanns would have had access to the lawyer of their choice.  And there would have been a trial, eagerly followed by the media, including the Brits. And the McCanns had unprecedented diplomatic access.

Other than reality, there is nothing wrong about the 'incarcerated parent' mantra.

Pity Madeleine was let down again, IMO.

[misty]

Why didn't the PJ insist on a reconstruction to clarify the timeline before they made the McCanns arguidos instead of treating it as an afterthought when all other avenues of possible prosecution had failed?

[Mr Gray]

I would class that as propaganda.

The McCanns were left free to leave Portugal, which is not what would have happened if they were deemed guilty.

The 'incarcerated parent' mantra wore thin a long time ago.

If charged, the McCanns would have had access to the lawyer of their choice.  And there would have been a trial, eagerly followed by the media, including the Brits. And the McCanns had unprecedented diplomatic access.

Other than reality, there is nothing wrong about the 'incarcerated parent' mantra.

Pity Madeleine was let down again, IMO.

there was a possibility of being held on remand...for up to a year as I remember....maddie was let down by the pj..imo

[ShiningInLuz]

Why didn't the PJ insist on a reconstruction to clarify the timeline before they made the McCanns arguidos instead of treating it as an afterthought when all other avenues of possible prosecution had failed?

Timescale.

It's somewhere in Kate's book.  The date when they informed Bob Small / PJ they were going home.

The T9 were later invited to a reconstruction.  The invitation was declined.

The PJ had no power to insist that people in the UK were obliged to take part in a reconstruction.

[Mr Gray]

Timescale.

It's somewhere in Kate's book.  The date when they informed Bob Small / PJ they were going home.

The T9 were later invited to a reconstruction.  The invitation was declined.

The PJ had no power to insist that people in the UK were obliged to take part in a reconstruction.

they had plenty of time to arrange a reconstruction in the early days

[ShiningInLuz]

they had plenty of time to arrange a reconstruction in the early days

Apart from ignoring the fact that Jez Wilkins and the T7 had left Portugal, what can I say?  That there is nothing left in your post?

[Mr Gray]

Apart from ignoring the fact that Jez Wilkins and the T7 had left Portugal, what can I say?  That there is nothing left in your post?

they had all left by the time the pj got around to it...so whats left in your post

[ShiningInLuz]

they had all left by the time the pj got around to it...so whats left in your post

Oh dear, another davel own goal.

Jez Wilkins left on 5 May 2007.  Perhaps you think they should have got round to it on the 4th, even as the first interviews were being conducted.

 

[Mr Gray]

Oh dear, another davel own goal.

Jez Wilkins left on 5 May 2007.  Perhaps you think they should have got round to it on the 4th, even as the first interviews were being conducted.

 

you have misread/misunderstood the post...by the time they got round to it everyone...including the mccanns had left...your sniping is getting tiresome...

[ShiningInLuz]

you have misread/misunderstood the post...by the time they got round to it everyone...including the mccanns had left...your sniping is getting tiresome...

Is there something you do not understand about the departure dates of Jez Wilkins and the T7?

Yet for a 'reason' that you have not yet given, the reconstruction deadline you choose is after the date the McCanns informed the PJ they were flying out.

If you ignore the facts, the remaining vacuum fits any agenda.

What can I say.  Duran Duran.  Hungry like the wolf.

[Brietta]

Why didn't the PJ insist on a reconstruction to clarify the timeline before they made the McCanns arguidos instead of treating it as an afterthought when all other avenues of possible prosecution had failed?

Having given some thought to that ... perhaps it is the difference between inefficient cop and efficient cop.

Amaral should have and could have called for a reconstruction as soon as it could be arranged while many people who were in the resort on the 3rd were still in situ.
In a holiday town with a transient population speed before people moved on would have been essential.

One definite advantage would have been that the Smith family might have remembered their encounter and realised its significance earlier than the fortnight it took for the realisation to dawn on Peter.

Kate and Gerry were constituted arguidos by the Amaral investigation.

On taking over the investigation Rebelo did what should have been done initially.  He personally went back to the root of the case starting at Apartment 5.

He tried to arrange a reconstruction because that is what should have been done but was not by the first investigation.  I think he was between a rock and a hard place with that particularly as the Portuguese notion of a reconstitution differs from our model and neither the twain shall meet.
Although the Amaral Documentary had no problem with reconstruction and the opportunity to show copious clinking of glasses among empty bottles and portray a parody of the parent's grief.