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Offline Brietta

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2790 on: May 03, 2017, 06:36:06 PM »
Where is the Moyes' statement when you need it?

I've not seen a report of that article before now so it is news to me.  I don't think Mr and Mrs Moyes were interviewed by the Policia Judiciaria.
Their statements must have been made when they returned home.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

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Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2791 on: May 03, 2017, 06:56:14 PM »
I've not seen a report of that article before now so it is news to me.  I don't think Mr and Mrs Moyes were interviewed by the Policia Judiciaria.
Their statements must have been made when they returned home.
No they weren't despite being in such close proximity to the missing child's apartment on the night she went missing.... &%+((£

"the Portuguese police came into the apartment with a sniffer dog. They went round the apartment and we were not asked too many questions.

"They asked to see our passports and my thoughts at the time was that this was purely for elimination purposes"

Offline G-Unit

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« Reply #2792 on: May 03, 2017, 10:48:49 PM »

'THE F***ING B******S HAVE TAKEN HER' Kate McCann’s tormented screams on night Madeleine went missing
revealed by witnesses who told how Gerry sobbed on pals shoulder and frantic friends launched search
Key witnesses reveal desperate moments after Maddie vanished

By Charles Yates and Sam Christie
3rd May 2017, 5:33 pm  Updated: 3rd May 2017, 10:10 pm

KATE McCann screamed: “the f***ing b******s have taken her” in the frantic moments after daughter Madeleine went missing, a key witness has revealed.

The distraught mother was heard screaming out in anguish as husband Gerry sobbed on a friend’s shoulder while a frantic search for their missing three-year-old daughter took place.

Key witnesses told how they saw Kate McCann screaming in anguish after Maddie went missing
Brit couple Paul and Susan Moyes’ apartment was one floor directly above where the McCanns were staying

Brit couple Paul and Susan Moyes’ apartment was one floor directly above where the McCanns were staying
Apartment 5a, pictured today, was where Maddie was sleeping on the night she disappeared

Speaking to the Sun Online a decade after the chilling crime which gripped the world, holidaymakers Paul and Susan Moyes, who had an apartment just two floors directly above where the McCanns were staying, recounted how the couple were in hysterics.

Paul, 68, said: “The McCanns were in bits, he was crying on the shoulder of a friend.

“She was screaming ‘the f***ing b******s have taken her’.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3428088/kate-mccann-scream-night-madeleine-went-missing/
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Offline G-Unit

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2793 on: May 04, 2017, 06:49:52 AM »


As the McCanns mark 10 agonising years without Madeleine, how can Portuguese police keep being so vile?

Kate and gerry have had to rebuild their family as they suffer the agony of not knowing where their oldest child is, but now one ex-cop is airing yet more ludicrous claims

Alison Phillips
BYALISON PHILLIPS
22:01, 2 MAY 2017UPDATED09:32, 3 MAY 2017

Another agonising ­anniversary for the McCann family. Another opportunity for slug-like Portuguese ­ex-cop Goncalo Amaral to crawl out of his hole and slither around in their pain.

Out of all the horrific days Kate and Gerry McCann have had to endure in the decade since their daughter went missing, this must surely be one of the toughest.

Despite their determination in an interview this weekend that they will one day be reunited with Maddie , it seems less likely than ever.

This 10th anniversary will serve as a reminder not only of how much time has passed since they last held their daughter in their arms, but also of how they’ve rebuilt family life around the chasm of missing Maddie.

Something they must have never, ever wanted to do. But which they had to for the sake of their now 12-year-old twins.

Having lost one child, they had to do everything possible to safeguard the lives of those who remained.

Yet as the family mark 10 agonising years without Maddie today, how can some Portuguese cops still be so cruel?

Missing Madeleine McCann's parents 'fell out with police so badly they refused to share info from own investigation'

While they mourn and remember, Amaral – whose blundering officers fouled up so much of the search – has been airing his latest ludicrous claims about the disappearance.

And in so doing, caused new upset and anxiety for Maddie’s siblings.

He was on Portuguese ­television again pointing the finger at Maddie’s parents – the twins’ parents – and claiming she may have been hidden in a Praia de Luz church before being cremated .

Why the ­Portuguese broadcasters give him air time is a total mystery. Presumably it suits some to pump out such lies to deflect from their police failings.

Meanwhile another former Portuguese cop, Carlos Anjos, who probably knows less about the details of the case than my cat, has laid into the £11million Scotland Yard investigation as a ‘waste of money’.

Mr Anjos, a former inspector, is entitled to his opinion. Except that he is the former head of the Portuguese police union so his chief concern isn’t Maddie - it’s defending his officers’ botched investigation.

He and Amaral could do everyone a favour on this anniversary by keeping their opinions strictly to themselves.

Because these men know every smear or suggestion they make will be lapped up and repeated by the sickos and saddos of social media whose conspiracy ­theories have continued ­relentlessly over the past decade.

With children now old enough to Google their sister’s disappearance, it must be an endless battle for Kate and Gerry to keep them safe from the slurs that are constantly lobbed at their family on social media.

As Kate said this weekend: “We’ve tried to educate them a little bit as well.

“Because why would ­somebody write that? Why would somebody add to ­someone’s upset?”

A question it is impossible for right-minded people to answer.

For whatever Amaral and his band of [ censored word ]s may think about Gerry and Kate, surely anyone would have compassion for two children who have grown up against a backdrop of sadness and who have lost not just their sister but also so much of the joy of normal family life.

Amaral claims his family was also damaged by the ­investigation and he lost his marriage and son because of it. Rubbish.

I imagine he lost his marriage and son because they were able to see exactly what kind of a man he is.

A man who, incompetent at trying to find one missing little girl, appears intent on inflicting pain on her surviving brother and sister.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mccanns-mark-10-agonising-years-10343580

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Offline slartibartfast

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2794 on: May 04, 2017, 07:41:34 AM »
'THE F***ING B******S HAVE TAKEN HER' Kate McCann’s tormented screams on night Madeleine went missing
revealed by witnesses who told how Gerry sobbed on pals shoulder and frantic friends launched search
Key witnesses reveal desperate moments after Maddie vanished

By Charles Yates and Sam Christie
3rd May 2017, 5:33 pm  Updated: 3rd May 2017, 10:10 pm

KATE McCann screamed: “the f***ing b******s have taken her” in the frantic moments after daughter Madeleine went missing, a key witness has revealed.

The distraught mother was heard screaming out in anguish as husband Gerry sobbed on a friend’s shoulder while a frantic search for their missing three-year-old daughter took place.

Key witnesses told how they saw Kate McCann screaming in anguish after Maddie went missing
Brit couple Paul and Susan Moyes’ apartment was one floor directly above where the McCanns were staying

Brit couple Paul and Susan Moyes’ apartment was one floor directly above where the McCanns were staying
Apartment 5a, pictured today, was where Maddie was sleeping on the night she disappeared

Speaking to the Sun Online a decade after the chilling crime which gripped the world, holidaymakers Paul and Susan Moyes, who had an apartment just two floors directly above where the McCanns were staying, recounted how the couple were in hysterics.

Paul, 68, said: “The McCanns were in bits, he was crying on the shoulder of a friend.

“She was screaming ‘the f***ing b******s have taken her’.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3428088/kate-mccann-scream-night-madeleine-went-missing/

Interesting turn of phrase.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2795 on: May 04, 2017, 07:46:42 AM »

I very much doubt that Kate said that.

Offline G-Unit

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2796 on: May 04, 2017, 07:59:06 AM »
I very much doubt that Kate said that.

Of course not. If she said it that suggests she had knowledge of who took her ('the' not 'some') and how many of them (plural = more than one).
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Offline Eleanor

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2797 on: May 04, 2017, 08:10:44 AM »

Does anyone else think that Kate used that term?

Offline Robittybob1

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2798 on: May 04, 2017, 09:15:29 AM »
I very much doubt that Kate said that.
She lived and worked in NZ for some years, and that is just how we would express ourselves around here. 
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Offline Brietta

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2799 on: May 04, 2017, 09:19:16 AM »
Does anyone else think that Kate used that term?

Just another anonymous statement from the stable of anonymous waiters, cooks, cleaners, advogados daily seeing things passing villas, did someone actually see Gerry at the tip with a fridge?, witnesses seeing people crawling about in the dark intent on coffin invasion no doubt having come straight from the apartment Madeleine's parents had been witnessed frequenting but the address of which hadn't been noticed and Amaral couldn't locate ... ... ...

Silvia Batista who commented on Kate's request for a priest etc as recorded in the PJ files ... kept schtum on that one as did everyone else ... even those bemused by the "praying Arab" scenario. 

So all in all I would class it as yet another downright lie.
« Last Edit: May 04, 2017, 10:06:33 AM by Brietta »
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

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Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2800 on: May 04, 2017, 09:23:58 AM »
Just another anonymous statement from the stable of anonymous waiters, cooks, cleaners, advogados daily seeing things passing villas, did someone actually see Gerry at the tip with a fridge?, witnesses seeing people crawling about in the dark intent on coffin invasion no doubt having come straight from the apartment Madeleine's parents had been witnessed frequenting but the address of which hadn't been noticed and Amaral couldn't locate ... ... ...

Silvia Batista the who commented on Kate's request for a priest etc as recorded in the PJ files ... kept schtum on that one as did everyone else ... even those bemused by the "praying Arab" scenario. 

So all in all I would class it as yet another downright lie.
Actually it's not an anonymous statement - it is attributed to the Moyes (female).  I have no opinion on whether Kate said "f..king b........s have taken her" or not - it wouldn't surprise me or worry me in anyway if she did, it only serves to give more ammunition to the little army of hate mongers who will no doubt find plenty of satirical mirth to be had at the expense of a woman at her most desperate moment.

Offline Eleanor

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2801 on: May 04, 2017, 09:33:06 AM »
Just another anonymous statement from the stable of anonymous waiters, cooks, cleaners, advogados daily seeing things passing villas, did someone actually see Gerry at the tip with a fridge?, witnesses seeing people crawling about in the dark intent on coffin invasion no doubt having come straight from the apartment Madeleine's parents had been witnessed frequenting but the address of which hadn't been noticed and Amaral couldn't locate ... ... ...

Silvia Batista the who commented on Kate's request for a priest etc as recorded in the PJ files ... kept schtum on that one as did everyone else ... even those bemused by the "praying Arab" scenario. 

So all in all I would class it as yet another downright lie.

Yep.  A downright lie.  How utterly pathetic

Offline Eleanor

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2802 on: May 04, 2017, 09:34:32 AM »
Actually it's not an anonymous statement - it is attributed to the Moyes (female).  I have no opinion on whether Kate said "f....ing b......s have taken her" or not - it wouldn't surprise me or worry me in anyway if she did, it only serves to give more ammunition to the little army of hate mongers who will no doubt find plenty of satirical mirth to be had at the expense of a woman at her most desperate moment.

That as well.

Offline G-Unit

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2803 on: May 04, 2017, 09:47:21 AM »
Yep.  A downright lie.  How utterly pathetic

It's not a new idea though, apart from the cursing, is it?

Reply "And then, I mean, and then as we were walking up, err and there's you know the exchange of conversation was you know, was they've taken her.'
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Offline John

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« Reply #2804 on: May 04, 2017, 02:22:11 PM »
What happened to Madeleine McCann? Five possible scenarios explained.



By Adam Lusher
Published 3rd May 2017

With interest in the case showing no signs of abating, the chances are that unless Madeleine is found, the theories will keep proliferating.

In the ten years since Madeleine McCann went missing from an apartment in the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz, Portugal, there have been a near-infinite number of theories as to what happened to her.

Having started reviewing the case in 2011, Scotland Yard are still investigating.

With interest in the case showing no signs of abating, the chances are that unless Madeleine is found, the theories will keep proliferating.

For now, though, the most commonly discussed scenarios seem to be:

The parents were involved

On September 7 2007, four months after Madeleine’s disappearance, Kate and Gerry McCann were made “arguidos”, formal suspects in the case.

The theory seems to have been that the two doctors killed their daughter by accident, possibly by giving her too much sedative in the hope that she would sleep while they went out to dine with friends at a tapas restaurant 50 yards away.

The McCanns are then supposed to have hidden the body, faked Madeleine’s abduction, and then, weeks later, with the search for the three-year-old in full cry, put the corpse in the boot of a hire car and hid it in some super-secret location.

The Portugese police appear to have been bolstered in the belief that this – or something like it – could be possible by the reactions of two sniffer dogs brought to the Algarve by British officers in July 2007.

The two dogs, one trained to detect human blood, the other the smell of dead bodies, were taken to numerous locations, but only gave alerts inside the McCanns’ holiday apartment.  The cadaver dog later gave another alert signal while inside the Renault Scenic hire car that the McCanns had rented 24 days after their daughter went missing.

Analysis of hair and other fibres taken from the hire car and apartment were analysed by the UK’s Forensic Science Service.  Four days after the FSS analysis was complete, the McCanns were made arguidos, with Portugese officials citing DNA evidence as one of the grounds for suspicion.

It later transpired, however, that neither the sniffer dog or DNA evidence were as watertight as some observers assumed.

Sniffer dog evidence has been the subject of research questioning its reliability, and in one US court case, a judge agreed with analysis of three cadaver dogs’ performances which found they were wrong 78 per cent, 71 per cent and 62 per cent of the time.

The DNA evidence, meanwhile, came with a major ‘health warning’ from the FSS.

An email from John Lowe, of the FSS team, stated that only 15 out of a set of 19 components of Madeleine’s DNA profile had been found in the hire car.

Mr Lowe cautioned: “The individual components in Madeleine's profile are not unique to her; it is the specific combination of 19 components that makes her profile unique above all others. Elements of Madeleine's profile are also present within the profiles of many of the scientists here in Birmingham, myself included.

“It's important to stress that 50 per cent of Madeleine's profile will be shared with each parent. It is not possible, in a mixture of more than two people, to determine or evaluate which specific DNA components pair with each other. ... Therefore, we cannot answer the question: Is the match genuine, or is it a chance match."

Kate and Gerry McCann had their formal arguido status removed in July 2008.  They have always maintained their innocence.  They have dismissed as “ludicrous” theories about how they might have used the hire car to dispose of the body in a location that Algarve locals didn’t know about.

They are also continuing their legal action against Goncalo Amaral, the former lead Portugese investigator in the case, who in 2008 wrote a book claiming they had faked their daughter’s abduction after her accidental death.

Burglary gone wrong

According to this theory, thieves broke into the apartment, then killed or abducted Madeleine when she woke up and saw what they were doing.

It is understood that the Scotland Yard review team has not yet ruled out such a scenario – even though you might expect it to involve thieves acting in panic, making hurried mistakes and leaving a trail of obvious clues in their wake.

At one time, though, the Met detectives had identified four Praia da Luz locals who seemed as if they might have fitted the bill.   Their backgrounds, mobile phone contact and locations around the time of Madeleine’s disappearance all seemed to fit the pattern of men involved in a burglary that had gone wrong.

The men were questioned in 2014 – but Scotland Yard has now announced there was no evidence to implicate any of them and abandoned the case against all four.

Paulo Ribeiro, one of the men, has also told BBC Panorama how amazed he had been when approached by British detectives.

"I thought it was incredible," he said. "I knew of nothing when the police arrived at my door with a piece of paper that had a drawing on it, saying it bore a likeness to me and that someone had said I was involved and that I looked like the person who had kidnapped Maddie.”

He and the other three men, were also backed by Pedro do Carmo, deputy director of the Policia Judiciaria, who told Panorama he had never considered them to be suspects.

He said: "I can only say that we questioned those people on request of the Metropolitan Police and only based on the request of the Metropolitan Police.

"We never questioned those people. We never saw or looked at those people as suspects of the crime."

And, despite British detectives still considering the idea of a burglary gone wrong to be plausible, Carlos Anjos, the former head of the Policia Judiciaria officers' union, told Panorama: "This burglary theory is absurd. Not even a wallet disappeared, no television disappeared, nothing else disappeared. A child disappeared."

Abducted or killed by a local paedophile

In 2009 there were reports that some of those investigating Madeleine’s disappearance believed the Algarve had been “awash with paedophiles” when she went missing.

One source was quoted as saying: “There are 38 known sex offenders in the Algarve.  The area is a magnet for paedophiles. There have been seven sexual assaults involving the children of tourists in the Algarve in the last four years.

“They all have the same modus operandi as Madeleine's disappearance - that is, a break-in at a holiday apartment and children molested.

“Five happened before Madeleine's abduction, and two afterwards. One took place a month before she vanished.”

Could a local serial paedophile have escalated his activities to the point where instead of leaving a molested foreign child in situ, they progressed to abduction or killing?

family:

"He was a private man, not the type to suddenly befriend  a couple who had intense media attention. It really jarred with me, left me feeling very uneasy.  Nobody else would have thought Freud capable of abuse and rape but he did it to me.”

Some investigators, however, have cautioned against the whole idea of the involvement of a local paedophile.  They point out that only very rarely do predatory paedophiles take the risk of sneaking or breaking into a building to get at a child.

Abducted by slave traders or paedophile child traffickers

There have been numerous variations of this theory, placing Madeleine in locations from Belgium to Africa.

In 2008, for example, it was reported that police were examining claims that Madeleine was taken on the orders of a Belgium-based paedophile ring that had placed an order for a “young girl”.

The highly organised gang, it was said, may even have taken a photograph of Madeleine beforehand so the Belgian paedophiles could confirm she fitted their requirements and give the go-ahead for the abduction.

Other theories have suggested Madeleine could have been taken to Lagos marina, five miles from Praia da Luz, and put on a boat bound for Morocco.

There have been reports of girls fitting Madeleine’s description being seen in Morocco around the time of her disappearance, and in the first few weeks of the hunt for their daughter, the McCanns did visit the north African country to appeal for information.

Morocco also fits into theories that Madeleine was sold into slavery: it is on the trafficking route to the Saharan desert country of Mauritania.

Mauritania was the last country in the world to abolish slavery, outlawing the practice only in 1981.  There are rumours that significant numbers of people remain in slavery in the country to this day, and that gangs operating out of Mauritania sell children to rich Middle Eastern families.

Colin Sutton, an ex-Scotland Yard detective, told the Mirror last month: “The Mauritania line is certainly a possibility and needs to be looked at.

“If someone wanted to get a three-year-old child into Africa it’s the obvious route. The infrastructure and contacts for people smuggling are clearly there.”

Madeleine woke up, wandered from the apartment, and was involved in an accident

If Madeleine had woken up and gone to see her parents at the tapas restaurant, it has been claimed, there were a number of potentially fatal accidents that could have befallen her.

If she lost her way in the dark and took a wrong turn, a walk of less than 200 yards would have taken her to some roadworks.

It has been reported that workers repairing drains had dug a 6ft-deep, 4ft-wide trench.  Had she fallen in, causing her to die or be knocked unconscious?  And had she then not been noticed when the trench was filled in the next morning?

This theory has been disputed by the engineer and the foreman in charge of the works, who have both insisted the trench was checked by them and the police.

Other accident theories have posited a drink driver who runs over Madeleine, panics, and hides the body.  A local might know hiding places where a body could lie undiscovered for ten years: the surrounding countryside is sparsely populated with plenty of scrubland and many old, long-abandoned wells.

Such scenarios, though, would require unusual behaviour from a little girl going in search of her parents.

Kate McCann has pointed out that Madeleine, coming up to her fourth birthday, would have had to have been able to open the curtains, slide open the patio door and then shut both of them behind her.  Then she would have had to open and shut the garden gate leading to the road.

During her holiday, she had got to know the way that took her to the pool complex where her parents were eating.  So why would this little girl have continued down the dark, lonely path leading to the roadworks, instead of turning towards the reassuring lights and noise coming from where she knew she could find her mum and dad?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/madeleine-mccann-disappearance-latest-what-happened-scenarios-a7716436.html
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