General discussion about the latest news (not search related)

[Mr Gray]

Mark Harrison distrusted Eddie's alerts.

That is clear enough if you read his reports carefully.

If you read the reports carefully the alerts did not convince Grime

[DCI]

Thank you DCI,

I was checking it out, but it would  make things so much easier if the poster supplied the link. but I guess that is asking too much.



http://murderpedia.org/male.C/c/coutts-graham.htm
http://courtnewsuk.co.uk/c_sex_killers/a_graham_coutts/crime_vaults/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1453475/30-years-jail-for-killer-necrophiliac.html

It was on Sky CI channel 553. You can download it on catch up if you have sky HD.

[ferryman]

If you read the reports carefully the alerts did not convince Grime

To a point.

But I think Harrison's reports are much more persuasive and revealing.

Harrison expressly disowned UK involvement in several inspections.

[pathfinder73]

I think we have watched different programme. No dogs, no mention of funny smell in car, fluid in the boot, or the boot being left open because of rotting meat.

Nor on Court News.

http://courtnewsuk.co.uk/c_sex_killers/a_graham_coutts/crime_vaults/

A Town & Country Murder
Tuesday 8pm CI Channel 555 Sky tv

Jane Longhurst

A shocking look at the chilling case surrounding the murder of teacher Jane Longhurst, whose body was found in a West Sussex beauty spot in 2003. (1 of 8)

http://tv.sky.com/tv-guide#/day/0

It said decomposing body smell in boot. Reported funny smell from lockup. I watched it. It showed cctv footage of pallet truck.

[Anna]

It was on Sky CI channel 553. You can download it on catch up if you have sky HD.

Thanks again. I will check it shortly.

[Anna]

A Town & Country Murder
Tuesday 8pm CI Channel 555 Sky tv

Jane Longhurst

A shocking look at the chilling case surrounding the murder of teacher Jane Longhurst, whose body was found in a West Sussex beauty spot in 2003. (1 of 8)

http://tv.sky.com/tv-guide#/day/0



It said decomposing body smell in boot. Reported funny smell from lockup. I watched it. It showed cctv footage of pallet truck.

This was in 2004. so hardly latest news.

Now. how difficult would it have been to put this link on your original post?

I have yet to watch it

[Anna]

Oh dear Jane Longhurst case now on. Decomposing body smell detected in car boot. Reports of funny smell from his lockup. On cctv cleaning up body fluids and blood coming from big white box on pallet truck. I wonder what was inside? Not rotten meat! Graham Coutts and Paul Kelly the same man. He won't confess to her murder or hiding Jane's body for 5 weeks. Goes to trial and he claims it was accidental death  *&*%£ She coughed up blood when he strangled her to death. He got 30 years. The same similarities - reported funny smell in car, body fluids in boot, car boot left constantly open because of rotten meat. Do you think detectives believe that after both CSI dogs alerted to the car?

I have just finished watching this video, about that horrendous crime in 2003, but can find no reference to the car boot, apart from the murderer, putting the box containing the body, in it.
 Could you please direct me to that part, PF? I may possibly have missed it........Then we can clear up the car boot mystery. Thank you

[slartibartfast]

Forensic examination provides evidence which backs up or rejects that indication.

No, it can only back up evidence, it cannot reject it. The cautious words used to describe the alerts are legal not scientific.

[Heriberto Janosch]

From my last post at http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com

Personally, based on reading the files published in 2008 by the Polícia Judiciária of Portugal, some official communications of Scotland Yard in 2013 and 2014, and my three trips to Praia da Luz, the crime scene, in 2012 and 2013; I still think that the main hypothesis is IMO:

(a) It was a failed burglary attempt in apartment 5A, which escalated into the abduction of Madeleine.
(b) Only one, or no more than two people, know what happened, for being involved in the crime.
(c) At least one person who has participated in the crime was by then employed at the Ocean Club resort (OC).
(d) The offender, or offenders, did not have a car or any vehicle the night of the abduction.
(e) The offender, or offenders, were residing in Praia da Luz, or very near there, in 2007.

BTW, I will be visiting London on Dec. 28, 29 & 30. Anybody nearby to have a coffee? Heri.

[pathfinder73]

I have just finished watching this video, about that horrendous crime in 2003, but can find no reference to the car boot, apart from the murderer, putting the box containing the body, in it.
 Could you please direct me to that part, PF? I may possibly have missed it........Then we can clear up the car boot mystery. Thank you

27:20 - "On examining the car, we discovered the boot area smelt of decomposing body."

[Heriberto Janosch]

In October 2013, I had made a list of Portuguese people who I would like to be interviewed, being the GROUP A the most important IMO:

GROUP A             
JCFdS, Vol III, Pages 679-680, THEFT, OC and/or MW, Driver
BdAPdS,   Vol II Pages 372-373 and Vol XV Pages 4114-4115, OC and/or MW, Driver
MFMM, Vol III Pages 555-557, OC and/or MW, Driver Laundry
MdGGAG, Vol II Pages 344-345, OC and/or MW, Administrative
Ricardo R (added to the list on Feb, 2014)
            
GROUP B              
SMCRB, Vol II Pages 355-356, Vol V Pages 1289-1290 and Vol VIII Pages 1975-1977, OC and/or MW, Manager
JCSB, Vol III Pages 540-542, OC and/or MW, Maintenance
JDNdON, Vol II Pages 341-343, OC and/or MW, Administrative
VMdS, Vol II Pages 331-333, FRAUD, OC and/or MW, Manager
            
GROUP C             
MDM, Vol III Pages 532-534, OC and/or MW, Maintenance 
LFMF, Vol II Pages 370-371, DRUGS, OC and/or MW, Maintenance
MJSdS, Vol II Pages 392-394, OC and/or MW, Cleaner
            
GROUP D            
NFGdC, Vol II Pages 264-265, OC and/or MW and TANNER SIGHTING, Maintenance
CMGdCP,   Vol II Pages 412-414, OC and/or MW, Maintenance
TPLdS, Vol II Pages 401-403, OC and/or MW, Maintenance
            
GROUP E            
JPSCdJH, Vol II Pages 469-470a, TANNER SIGHTING, Local
MHH, Vol II Pages 469-470a, TANNER SIGHTING, Local
MMMdS, Vol II Pages 469-470a, TANNER SIGHTING, Local
AEGFP, Vol II Pages 471-473, OC and/or MW and TANNER SIGHTING   
TRB, Vol III Pages 602-604, OC and/or MW and TANNER SIGHTING   
NGMVdRB, Vol II Pages 239-241, OC and/or MW and TANNER SIGHTING   

The other important thing IMO is the hairs & fingerprints recovered in May 4, 2007 (as Carana has pointed out many many times here).

From my blog: http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com.es/2014/11/the-madeleine-mccann-abduction.html

"But the other 13 haplotypes remain unidentified, and not correspond to persons who were legally in the 5A and whose mitochondrial DNA profiles were determined."

[Anna]

27:20 - "On examining the car, we discovered the boot area smelt of decomposing body."

Thank you PF. Sorted!
I apologize for misunderstanding, arising from your post.

[DCI]

Thank you PF. Sorted!
I apologize for misunderstanding, arising from your post.

My apologies too PF. But there was no mention of the boot being left constantly open because of rotting meat or body fluids was there? . Or did I miss that too? So no similarities really.

[pathfinder73]

Thank you PF. Sorted!
I apologize for misunderstanding, arising from your post.

My apologies too PF. But there was no mention of the boot being left constantly open because of rotting meat or body fluids was there? . Or did I miss that too? So no similarities really.

Thanks to you both. No dogs were mentioned. Just decomposing body smell detected in car boot and bad smell reported from his lockup. Reported bad smells in hire car, reported boot left open and both dogs alerted to car and Keela alerted to blood in boot 15 alleles match. So there are similarities. He stored the body for 5 weeks before moving it so it's not impossible to hide and move a body many weeks later in the boot of a car. This is a case where it was done.

[ferryman]

Thanks to you both. No dogs were mentioned. Just decomposing body smell detected in car boot and bad smell reported from his lockup. Reported bad smells in hire car, reported boot left open and both dogs alerted to car and Keela alerted to blood in boot 15 alleles match. So there are similarities. He stored the body for 5 weeks before moving it so it's not impossible to hide and move a body many weeks later in the boot of a car. This is a case where it was done.

Weren't you wittering vacuously earlier about something or another that you claimed was "libellous"?