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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #105 on: December 10, 2014, 12:04:09 PM »
Paradox? maybe ... Conundrum? maybe ... people somewhere who do not want a solution to what happened to Madeleine McCann to be found ... Certainly!

Madelaine McCann's parents ... against all the odds ... managed to have the official investigation reopened three years ago.

Remind me who was investigating her case and looking for her in the previous four ... oh that's right ... her parents.

Remind me why no one was looking for her ... the original lead detectives theory ... which he detailed in his book.

Presumably because the official case was archived for lack of evidence?

Remind us:
When was Dr Amaral removed from the case? I presume it is he to whom you refer as "the original lead detective"
What was the date the case was archived?
What was the date of publication of Dr Amarals book?
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline jassi

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #106 on: December 10, 2014, 12:13:09 PM »
As you know ... they can tell us nothing ... as a result of Portuguese secrecy laws which they are certainly taking the greatest care not to breach.

I believe there have been no official statements from either force, so any info is from unofficial leaks, which is something quite different.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline pathfinder73

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #107 on: December 10, 2014, 12:16:07 PM »
You produce the evidence that the McCanns were given the efits, together with an explanation of why, if they were, they should have gainsaid the police when the police also had them, but chose to wait until the crimewatch programme to release them.

Of course they were given them. They have progress meetings with their investigators. They are paying them so they want to know what they've been doing. Other efits are in their book except these ones. They've been trying to connect Tannerman and Smithman as being the same person from the beginning. The McCanns can make up their own excuses, they don't need you to be doing it.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Brietta

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #108 on: December 10, 2014, 12:37:13 PM »
Presumably because the official case was archived for lack of evidence?

Remind us:
When was Dr Amaral removed from the case? I presume it is he to whom you refer as "the original lead detective"
What was the date the case was archived?
What was the date of publication of Dr Amarals book?

"Presumably because the official case was archived for lack of evidence?" ... Hmm, and as we have seen subsequently there was a wealth of suspects and witnesses who it seems did not fit Dr Amaral's theory. 

Cursory questioning at the time (with perhaps the exception of Malinka and Murat) allowed whatever evidence which may have been available to solve Madeleine McCann's case in 2007 ... only being looked at in 2014.

Unfortunately the original chief investigator developed his theory immediately (check his book) and ignored all other avenues of investigation or evidence in pursuit of that theory (Paiva 2010).
Monumental mistakes in any inquiry ... but particularly reprehensible when a missing child is involved.

I'm sure if you 'google' for the date of Dr Amaral's sacking, the archiving of Madeleine's case and the date of the publication of Dr Amaral's book you will find the answers.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #109 on: December 10, 2014, 12:46:57 PM »
I have seen reports Murat's questioning has been suspended due to being questioned in past on the same matter.. Didn't I say this before? I remember seeing it somewhere before..

It is strange that Murat avoided this questioning when he claimed he was happy to give evidence..

His wife is to be questioned today.

I can well understand him being wary of questioning.

I am absolutely unsure how the fact of him being questioned as an arguido before comes into it.  Double jeopardy? but he wasn't charged or taken to trial.

He is on record on a few occasions declaring his readiness to help in any way he could ... suggesting reconstitutions for the Drs McCann and their friends etc.

Is it mandatory under law he does not submit to questioning as a witness?

Or is he requesting arguido status once more?  Any one know?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Carana

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #110 on: December 10, 2014, 12:53:32 PM »
Presumably because the official case was archived for lack of evidence?

Remind us:
When was Dr Amaral removed from the case? I presume it is he to whom you refer as "the original lead detective"
What was the date the case was archived?
What was the date of publication of Dr Amarals book?


The book was published a few days after the case was archived. It's impossible that judicial secrecy wasn't broken... but that's an issue for the criminal courts to take up, if they ever get around to considering it.

Offline Victoria

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #111 on: December 10, 2014, 01:04:14 PM »
I can well understand him being wary of questioning.

I am absolutely unsure how the fact of him being questioned as an arguido before comes into it.  Double jeopardy? but he wasn't charged or taken to trial.

He is on record on a few occasions declaring his readiness to help in any way he could ... suggesting reconstitutions for the Drs McCann and their friends etc.

Is it mandatory under law he does not submit to questioning as a witness?

Or is he requesting arguido status once more?  Any one know?

All seems very strange to me.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #112 on: December 10, 2014, 01:12:51 PM »
"Presumably because the official case was archived for lack of evidence?" ... Hmm, and as we have seen subsequently there was a wealth of suspects and witnesses who it seems did not fit Dr Amaral's theory. 

Cursory questioning at the time (with perhaps the exception of Malinka and Murat) allowed whatever evidence which may have been available to solve Madeleine McCann's case in 2007 ... only being looked at in 2014.

Unfortunately the original chief investigator developed his theory immediately (check his book) and ignored all other avenues of investigation or evidence in pursuit of that theory (Paiva 2010).
Monumental mistakes in any inquiry ... but particularly reprehensible when a missing child is involved.

I'm sure if you 'google' for the date of Dr Amaral's sacking, the archiving of Madeleine's case and the date of the publication of Dr Amaral's book you will find the answers.

Given we cannot be certain that all documents relating to the case were released after the archiving process how can you be certain that all other avenues were ignored and by implication not investigated? Is that merely your surmise or do you have some factual basis for that opinion which you would care to share with us?
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline VIXTE

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #113 on: December 10, 2014, 02:32:36 PM »
I wonder who is the third witness from yesterday and why he hasn't been identified and other two were. Still not identified.. hmm.

Also, has Murat been spoken to today or not .. British media is reporting he has..
« Last Edit: December 10, 2014, 02:36:17 PM by VIXTE »

Offline Brietta

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #114 on: December 10, 2014, 04:40:21 PM »
Given we cannot be certain that all documents relating to the case were released after the archiving process how can you be certain that all other avenues were ignored and by implication not investigated? Is that merely your surmise or do you have some factual basis for that opinion which you would care to share with us?

Would you care to make a statement which might be worthy of discussion then we can discuss; it seems to have escaped your notice that I am not your personal search engine.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline faithlilly

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #115 on: December 10, 2014, 04:53:30 PM »
Would you care to make a statement which might be worthy of discussion then we can discuss; it seems to have escaped your notice that I am not your personal search engine.

And so it begins !! First the refusal to answer pertinent questions and then the 'ignore' button !!

Textbook example of how to stymie uncomfotable debate !!
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

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Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #116 on: December 10, 2014, 04:55:06 PM »
And so it begins !! First the refusal to answer pertinent questions and then the 'ignore' button !!

Textbook example of how to stymie uncomfotable debate !!

*irony klaxon*  @)(++(*

Offline Anna

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #117 on: December 10, 2014, 05:00:01 PM »
I wonder who is the third witness from yesterday and why he hasn't been identified and other two were. Still not identified.. hmm.

Also, has Murat been spoken to today or not .. British media is reporting he has..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2868478/Pictured-Former-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Robert-Murat-wife-Portuguese-police-station-interviewed-Scotland-Yard-girl-s-disappearance.html
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
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Offline Brietta

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #118 on: December 10, 2014, 05:25:46 PM »
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2868478/Pictured-Former-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Robert-Murat-wife-Portuguese-police-station-interviewed-Scotland-Yard-girl-s-disappearance.html

"Speaking last month before he received his official notification, he said: 'My conscience is clear and I have no problem speaking to police again.' "

Seems he was as good as his word ... I think it would have looked pretty bad if the report he would not be interviewed had proved correct.

"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #119 on: December 10, 2014, 05:28:23 PM »
*irony klaxon*  @)(++(*

There appears to be a school of thought that demanding answers to aggressive questioning passes for debate ... not in my book it don't ?>)()<
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....