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Offline Anna

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #195 on: December 14, 2014, 01:37:32 AM »
Definitely not AS. He left PDL and went home at 6pm. Not nearby, 10 kilometres away actually.

Sorry, I meant worked nearby. I remember his name now, but alas it is not him. The police must know who this lookalike is!
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline misty

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #196 on: December 14, 2014, 01:37:50 AM »
Correct, SB did know of his parents, but certainly did not even know what RM looked like.
And BTW nor did DP nor FP nor ROB nor RO nor CP nor [Name removed] nor RB.
The common factor shared by all (100%) of those people who claimed RM was there that night, is that they all had absolutely no idea what he looked like.

Did any of the GNR officers who attended that night have prior knowledge of Robert Murat? Do you not find it odd that several people present identified a man who looked like him but none of the officers made the same "error"?

Offline pegasus

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #197 on: December 14, 2014, 01:43:38 AM »
You cannot make this up!

EXCLUSIVE: Brazilians in the frame in Madeleine hunt
The behaviour of a Brazilian couple who were seen acting suspiciously around the time of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance is now being re-examined by Portuguese police......
Actually the Express, for a change, was not making it up, they are reporting on a real diligence.
The catamaran is "Tropics"

Offline Brietta

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #198 on: December 14, 2014, 01:45:12 AM »
Yes should be easy.
For a start SY/PJ could simply ask the first 5 GNR officers at the scene:
"in addition to the lady SB, do you remember a man who was also helping to translate that night?"
IMO at least 2 of them will say yes (if you don't believe me, see ROB statement).
Then ask those GNR officers "Was it RM?".
They will certainly say no (see their statements of 2007 they all say definitely RM was not there).
So just that simple procedure would prove once and for all that translatorman that night was not RM.
But I doubt the illogical investigation then or now has ever done it.
Nor studied in depth early photos.

Do SY have the right to barge into Portugal to demand answers from GNR officers?

There should already be a list of names with this man's name and contact details available on it ... protocols dictate that victims should be protected from intrusion by any Tom, Dick or Harry.
Obviously not a high priority as far as the police were concerned, Yvonne Martin was waved through without let or hindrance now it seems we have anonymous translators free to come and go as they pleased.

Really not good enough.
If officers were busy, as they undoubtedly were, one of the senior management could have been delegated to the task of taking names.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline pegasus

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #199 on: December 14, 2014, 01:50:14 AM »
Did any of the GNR officers who attended that night have prior knowledge of Robert Murat? Do you not find it odd that several people present identified a man who looked like him but none of the officers made the same "error"?
IIRC they did, but I might be wrong, maybe you could check the the GNR statements?
So we can add them to these lists
Peeps who had no idea what he looked like but claimed he was there: DP FP ROB RO SB CP [Name removed] RB.
Peeps who did know what he looked like and confirm he was definitely not there: PW JW BW.

Offline Anna

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #200 on: December 14, 2014, 01:53:35 AM »
Actually the Express, for a change, was not making it up, they are reporting on a real diligence.
The catamaran is "Tropics"

Processos Volume IV

Pages 854-855


External Inquiry Report

Date: 2007/05/09
Place: Praia da Luz - Lagos
Responsible Officers: Raquel Neves and Tony Almeida, Inspectors
Description and result of the inquiry:

In the sequence of information received by this Policia Judiciaria on this date, at around 11H40, we went to the Video Club “Eureka Services", located in Praia da Luz - Lagos, in order to contact Mr. S**** R******, the owner of the establishment.

Following an informal conversation, we were informed by that individual that he had remembered that on the previous Thursday, 3rd May, 2007, at the time he was closing up his shop, around 22h45, a small vehicle, whose make, model and number plate he does not remember, the only identifying element he captured was the colour of the vehicle—a dull red, almost as if the colour has been burnt off, sic, due to prolonged exposure to sunlight. Inside the vehicle, he could only make out the presence of one person, as well as a dog in the front passenger's seat.

At the moment that said vehicle passed him, he observed that the driver was looking towards the back seat . Mr R***** affirms that he did not have, at that time, the opportunity to determine what was in the back of the car.

When questioned, he further noted that he recognised the identity of the driver, indicating that it was a female, of Brazilian nationality, 1,70 cm in height, 25/26 years of age, slim with lightly coloured skin. He even added her name, S*** S***** because she and her partner had previously worked at his parents’ farm. …
Due to minor arguments caused by the misuse of tools, involving mainly the woman’s companion identified as E***** S*****, the latter, also of Brazilian nationality, and Mr. R*****, effectively came to blows, and the services of the couple were concluded.

He adds that some of the physical aggressions he suffered in Marina de Lagos, had required help from the local police;

After the couple were fired, he found out that they went to work in the Marina de Lagos, in the area of repairs/maintenance of boats, and more concretely, for a boat which was moored there and that they it as their residence. He furthers that it was a catamaran of high dimensions with the name "TROPICS";

Another individual called R***** also worked in that place with the couple. R*****’s telephone number is xxxxxxxxx, and he may help in determining other elements;

He only remembered the episode at this point, because in making some associations, given the disappearance of the child, it reminded of him of this couple who mentioned that they had an exceptional desire to have a child of their own;

After the facts occurred, he also stated that they had left Marina de Lagos, as the vessel was no longer found in that place.


When questioned about the physical characteristics of E**** S*****, he identified him as being bald, with a strong build, around 1,70 m in height, dark skin tone and around 42 years of age.

Signed.
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline pegasus

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #201 on: December 14, 2014, 01:54:26 AM »
Do SY have the right to barge into Portugal to demand answers from GNR officers?...
SY currently can request through the proper methods for permission to have the PJ question witnesses in Portugal, I see no reason why that should exclude the first GNR officers at the scene, important witnesses methinks.
Have a read of ROB rog. He saw translatorman translating between some angry brit searchers and GNR officers that night, calming down the searchers. So why not ask those GNR now about this? IMO it would be valuable because IMO they would confirm yes that happened but it certainly wasnt RM
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Offline pegasus

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #202 on: December 14, 2014, 02:04:43 AM »
@Anna. It's an extremely rare example of a UK tabloid article about this case without a single mistake in it

Offline misty

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #203 on: December 14, 2014, 02:10:58 AM »
I can't see a boat called Tropics in the Maritime list. Should it be Tropico?

Offline Anna

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #204 on: December 14, 2014, 02:13:49 AM »
@Anna. It's an extremely rare example of a UK tabloid article about this case without a single mistake in it

It is indeed, but can not find "Tropics" in boat movements, only "Tropica". I think it was their home, so they probably moved away by car etc, or else, I missed something.

I will check again, later

This could have been connected to the pizza parlour owner's? sighting at the Marina, or near.
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline Brietta

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #205 on: December 14, 2014, 02:15:30 AM »
SY currently can request through the proper methods for permission to have the PJ question witnesses in Portugal, I see no reason why that should exclude the first GNR officers at the scene, important witnesses methinks.
Have a read of ROB rog. He saw translatorman translating between some angry brit searchers and GNR officers that night, calming down the searchers. So why not ask those GNR now about this? IMO it would be valuable because IMO they would confirm yes that happened but it certainly wasnt RM

I have never suggested it was him.
It is my opinion that it would have provided him with a better alibi, if he needed one, than being at home with his mother.

I am still very much of the opinion that it was remiss to have translators and searchers out and about without a name check in place.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline pegasus

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #206 on: December 14, 2014, 02:21:24 AM »
I have never suggested it was him.
It is my opinion that it would have provided him with a better alibi, if he needed one, than being at home with his mother.

I am still very much of the opinion that it was remiss to have translators and searchers out and about without a name check in place.
At first there were two GNR who BTW arrived very speedily after they were phoned at 10.42pm. Are you suggesting that on arrival they should have written down the names of all the hundred or so searchers present when they arrived?

Offline misty

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #207 on: December 14, 2014, 02:21:35 AM »
IIRC they did, but I might be wrong, maybe you could check the the GNR statements?
So we can add them to these lists
Peeps who had no idea what he looked like but claimed he was there: DP FP ROB RO SB CP [Name removed] RB.
Peeps who did know what he looked like and confirm he was definitely not there: PW JW BW.

I have read the GNR statements & each one stated that they didn't see RM there on the night of the 3rd into the early hours. What isn't clear is whether they even knew what RM looked like (I recall Bridget O'Donnell's reference to the GNR officer who failed to recognise Madeleine's photograph). Several of the statements were not made until 2 weeks after the event.
Only Reis Santos is definitely known to RM - yet there is no statement on file from the officer Santos who was there that night.
BW - yes, he was already searching at 9.45, so I don't think I'd trust his memory.
Let me make it clear - I do not think RM was the translator. I am more interested in who was Smokingman - someone seen before the GNR were on the scene.

Offline Brietta

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #208 on: December 14, 2014, 02:25:37 AM »
At first there were two GNR who BTW arrived very speedily after they were phoned at 10.42pm. Are you suggesting that on arrival they should have written down the names of all the hundred or so searchers present when they arrived?

I have already suggested there could have been delegation ... it is important to know who is in search parties and where they have searched.

However at the moment I am more interested in reading about the Brazilian couple, as I know you are.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline pegasus

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #209 on: December 14, 2014, 02:28:43 AM »
I have read the GNR statements & each one stated that they didn't see RM there on the night of the 3rd into the early hours. What isn't clear is whether they even knew what RM looked like (I recall Bridget O'Donnell's reference to the GNR officer who failed to recognise Madeleine's photograph). Several of the statements were not made until 2 weeks after the event.
Only Reis Santos is definitely known to RM - yet there is no statement on file from the officer Santos who was there that night.
BW - yes, he was already searching at 9.45, so I don't think I'd trust his memory.
Let me make it clear - I do not think RM was the translator. I am more interested in who was Smokingman - someone seen before the GNR were on the scene.
Guess you mean smokingman seen that night by witness [Name removed]?
As [Name removed] states he is the same as stripetopman seen by [Name removed] next morning.
And it's elementary to prove he was not RM.
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