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Alfie

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Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2865 on: May 12, 2017, 06:19:22 PM »
Jon Clarke (Publisher & Editor) 12 May, 2017 @ 09:26 at 09:26
I’m pretty sure Kate Burley was also there on holiday, whether jo wheeler was reporting or not, and as for meeting the mccanns if it was an hour or so later so what?!! I was there earlier and longer than most online trolls and armchair detectives who spend their whole time picking apart anything or anyone who thinks the parents are innocent… As Kate Burley later wrote she was stunned at the amount of ‘[ censored word ]s’ and conspiracy theorists out there, which was the point of my last few paragraphs – did I deserve to have my family and where I lived dragged into a post by ex detective Peter macloud just because I might have got to praia da luz one hour quicker than him from Ronda and because he disagrees with my findings? Take a deep breath…

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Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2866 on: May 12, 2017, 06:21:02 PM »
No need for me to write him, the trolls are out in force under his article, he's replied twice - see above for the first reply. 

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« Reply #2867 on: May 12, 2017, 07:33:53 PM »
No need for me to write him, the trolls are out in force under his article, he's replied twice - see above for the first reply.

Truthfulness doesn't seem to matter to him, does it? Caught out lying his (rather childish imo) reply is "So what". Journalists used to have standards but few do these days, and he's a prime example. He should learn about ethical journalism perhaps;

Truth and Accuracy
Journalists cannot always guarantee ‘truth’, but getting the facts right is the cardinal principle of journalism. We should always strive for accuracy, give all the relevant facts we have and ensure that they have been checked. When we cannot corroborate information we should say so.

http://ethicaljournalismnetwork.org/who-we-are/5-principles-of-journalism
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Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2868 on: May 12, 2017, 08:09:19 PM »
Truthfulness doesn't seem to matter to him, does it? Caught out lying his (rather childish imo) reply is "So what". Journalists used to have standards but few do these days, and he's a prime example. He should learn about ethical journalism perhaps;

Truth and Accuracy
Journalists cannot always guarantee ‘truth’, but getting the facts right is the cardinal principle of journalism. We should always strive for accuracy, give all the relevant facts we have and ensure that they have been checked. When we cannot corroborate information we should say so.

http://ethicaljournalismnetwork.org/who-we-are/5-principles-of-journalism

What is the lie?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

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Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2869 on: May 12, 2017, 08:14:25 PM »
What is the lie?

When I arrived at about 11.45am I was firstly able to walk into the apartment, where I introduced myself to the McCanns and told them I would do everything I could to help.
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« Reply #2870 on: May 12, 2017, 08:25:48 PM »
When I arrived at about 11.45am I was firstly able to walk into the apartment, where I introduced myself to the McCanns and told them I would do everything I could to help.

You have raised the point the time is wrong ~ I missed the "in your opinion" to accompany what is in effect, your opinion ... please confirm the lie and provide the supporting evidence.

"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Alfie

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Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2871 on: May 12, 2017, 10:10:08 PM »
Truthfulness doesn't seem to matter to him, does it? Caught out lying his (rather childish imo) reply is "So what". Journalists used to have standards but few do these days, and he's a prime example. He should learn about ethical journalism perhaps;

Truth and Accuracy
Journalists cannot always guarantee ‘truth’, but getting the facts right is the cardinal principle of journalism. We should always strive for accuracy, give all the relevant facts we have and ensure that they have been checked. When we cannot corroborate information we should say so.

http://ethicaljournalismnetwork.org/who-we-are/5-principles-of-journalism
You have accused Jon Clarke of breaching professional ethics and of lying.   You'd better be absolutely certain you're right hadn't you?

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Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2872 on: May 12, 2017, 10:38:46 PM »
You have raised the point the time is wrong ~ I missed the "in your opinion" to accompany what is in effect, your opinion ... please confirm the lie and provide the supporting evidence.

It wasn't an opinion, it was clear from the evidence that he wasn't able to arrive in Luz before the McCanns left for the Police station, so he could not have spoken to them on the morning of 4th May.

He did not meet the McCanns at the time he said he did and he has now, rather ungraciously, admitted it. The reporter he refers to is Kay, not Kate Burley, by the way and the video link below shows her at work on the morning of 4th May 2007;

Jon Clarke (Publisher & Editor) 12 May, 2017 @ 09:26 at 09:26
I’m pretty sure Kate Burley was also there on holiday, whether jo wheeler was reporting or not, and as for meeting the mccanns if it was an hour or so later so what?!!
http://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2017/05/11/madeleine-mccann-olive-press-editor-talks-first-journalist-scene-10th-anniversary-disappearance/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RazOGuQ_r8E
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Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2873 on: May 12, 2017, 10:46:44 PM »
It wasn't an opinion, it was clear from the evidence that he wasn't able to arrive in Luz before the McCanns left for the Police station, so he could not have spoken to them on the morning of 4th May.

He did not meet the McCanns at the time he said he did and he has now, rather ungraciously, admitted it. The reporter he refers to is Kay, not Kate Burley, by the way and the video link below shows her at work on the morning of 4th May 2007;

Jon Clarke (Publisher & Editor) 12 May, 2017 @ 09:26 at 09:26
I’m pretty sure Kate Burley was also there on holiday, whether jo wheeler was reporting or not, and as for meeting the mccanns if it was an hour or so later so what?!!
http://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2017/05/11/madeleine-mccann-olive-press-editor-talks-first-journalist-scene-10th-anniversary-disappearance/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RazOGuQ_r8E
So what indeed.  Talk about making sometimg out of nothing.  No proof that he lied still I see, only an admission that he may have got the time wrong.  We all make mistakes (apart from sceptics who are perfect in every way).

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Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2874 on: May 12, 2017, 11:20:42 PM »
So what indeed.  Talk about making sometimg out of nothing.  No proof that he lied still I see, only an admission that he may have got the time wrong.  We all make mistakes (apart from sceptics who are perfect in every way).

He thought he spoke to the McCanns that morning, but if he did speak to them it was after 8.30 pm, at least nine hours after he said it was. What a memory! How many "mistakes" did he make in his article I wonder?

1. He didn't enter 5A
2. He didn't speak to the McCanns that morning.
3. He didn't see Kay Burley there.
4. He wasn't the first journalist on the scene.
5. The Portuguese police didn't charge the McCanns.
6. There were four families in the group. not three.
7. It was not three months before the PJ looked for forensic evidence.
8. There were no road works 'literally right outside the apartment' with a two metre deep trench.
9. Sergei Malinka didn't masquerade as an estate agent.
http://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2017/05/11/madeleine-mccann-olive-press-editor-talks-first-journalist-scene-10th-anniversary-disappearance/


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Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2875 on: May 12, 2017, 11:40:54 PM »
He thought he spoke to the McCanns that morning, but if he did speak to them it was after 8.30 pm, at least nine hours after he said it was. What a memory! How many "mistakes" did he make in his article I wonder?

1. He didn't enter 5A
2. He didn't speak to the McCanns that morning.
3. He didn't see Kay Burley there.
4. He wasn't the first journalist on the scene.
5. The Portuguese police didn't charge the McCanns.
6. There were four families in the group. not three.
7. It was not three months before the PJ looked for forensic evidence.
8. There were no road works 'literally right outside the apartment' with a two metre deep trench.
9. Sergei Malinka didn't masquerade as an estate agent.
http://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2017/05/11/madeleine-mccann-olive-press-editor-talks-first-journalist-scene-10th-anniversary-disappearance/
As you have no way of knowing for certain whether points 1,2 and 4 are true or not I strongly suggest the use of a CAVEAT.

Alfie

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Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2876 on: May 12, 2017, 11:53:27 PM »
I expect it was Len Port, he arrived very early;

The only other people in sight were two women in conversation close to a corner ground floor apartment, 5A. As I approached, I noticed that one of them was clearly distressed, so much so I guessed she must be the missing girl's mother, Kate McCann. Later I learned that the other woman was a senior social worker on holiday from England. I overheard Mrs McCann tell her the police were "doing nothing" to find her daughter. She complained that they had not even questioned people staying in the same block of apartments. I understood the social worker to suggest that a description of the missing child should be circulated more widely. That prompted me to introduce myself as an Algarve-based reporter and say that I could use contacts to arrange alerts to be broadcast on an Algarve bilingual radio station. It had flashed through my mind that such alerts had been broadcast when Rachel Charles was reported missing in the Algarve 17 years earlier. The social worker then mentioned the British Consulate. I said I could help there too as I knew the staff at the Consulate and had just spoken to one of them on the phone. Perhaps my offer sounded disingenuous coming from a total stranger and a reporter to boot. Anyway, it was ignored.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/86june14/LenPort_June2014.htm

The apartment was secured and guarded, apparently, no matter what people thought;

The witness carried out finger print testing on the inside of the bedroom window, where the girl had been sleeping, leaving other examinations for the following day given that on that occasion these tests could not be carried out in the best technical conditions. For this reason, the apartments and the surrounding area were sealed off, watched over by the GNR officers who remained on site.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOAO_BARREIRAS.htm

Len Port's first-hand observations chime uncannily well with Jon Clarke's

"Len Port, now an Algarve publisher who covered the case for The Portugal News, said: "The police search was highly inefficient, as, frankly, was everything else about the case. The way the police handled it was desperately amateurish - and ultimately, a travesty of justice."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-560696/Madeleine-The-damning-case-police-Britains-investigative-reporter.html#ixzz4guLZStOu
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Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2877 on: May 13, 2017, 05:26:55 AM »
Len Port's first-hand observations chime uncannily well with Jon Clarke's

"Len Port, now an Algarve publisher who covered the case for The Portugal News, said: "The police search was highly inefficient, as, frankly, was everything else about the case. The way the police handled it was desperately amateurish - and ultimately, a travesty of justice."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-560696/Madeleine-The-damning-case-police-Britains-investigative-reporter.html#ixzz4guLZStOu
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That is a tough article to digest, Quite gruesome stuff mentioned in there.
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Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2878 on: May 13, 2017, 07:21:52 AM »
As you have no way of knowing for certain whether points 1,2 and 4 are true or not I strongly suggest the use of a CAVEAT.

He did not enter 5A and speak to the McCanns on the morning of 4th May because the McCanns weren't in 5A at the time he arrived. Len Port was there before him according to both men's accounts. I can see no need of a caveat.

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Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2879 on: May 13, 2017, 07:36:33 AM »
Len Port's first-hand observations chime uncannily well with Jon Clarke's

"Len Port, now an Algarve publisher who covered the case for The Portugal News, said: "The police search was highly inefficient, as, frankly, was everything else about the case. The way the police handled it was desperately amateurish - and ultimately, a travesty of justice."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-560696/Madeleine-The-damning-case-police-Britains-investigative-reporter.html#ixzz4guLZStOu
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Len Port is a journalist more worthy of respect in my opinion. His stories are balanced and his facts are checked. His opinion of the way this story has been reported largely match mine;

'Madeleine McCann and the media' by Len Port
Created: 26 April 2017
 
The most reported and discussed missing person case ever recorded is still not only a highly contentious mystery, but also a personal tragedy that has been turned into a public farce by elements of the media.

In the entirely predictable press frenzy surrounding the imminent 10th anniversary of the disappearance, much of the coverage, particularly in the British tabloids, has been absurd. But it should not be dismissed lightly.

Unable to come up with “news” on the case, the tabloids have been rehashing the same old speculation and guesswork.

“Could Madeleine McCann have been snatched by a lone paedo or simply wandered off?....”

“Abducted by slave traders and sold to a rich family, says ex-Met detective..”

“New hope after decade-long search....”

“Experts say Madeleine McCann’s body is almost impossible to find ”.

And then there was the much-touted Australian TV show that promised “a major breakthrough in the case”.

Meanwhile, the Daily Mirror took a slightly different tack with a story headlined, “What REALLY happened the night Madeleine McCann disappeared as nanny breaks her 10-year silence”.

The story did not explain what “really” happened, nor did it name the nanny or why she had remained silent for so long.

It quoted her as considering the McCanns to be “the picture perfect family” and repeated the usual British criticism of the Portuguese police.

More surprisingly, she claimed that the resort from which Madeleine vanished was considered so unsafe that nannies were given rape alarms (whistles) and advised, “don’t go anywhere by yourself, ever”.

There was nothing to suggest the Mirror had tried to question or check this or any of the nanny’s other assertions, but, in Praia da Luz, they were viewed with derision. It was seen as yet another attempt to brand Praia da Luz as a den of iniquity, which it is not and never has been.

The official police files on the case contain nothing about rape whistles or alarms. None of the signed statements by child-care workers mentioned anything about suspicious goings-on or Luz being “unsafe”.

The manager of the Ocean Club where the McCanns were staying said in a police statement in 2007 that he had “no knowledge of any untoward situation involving Ocean Club users or in the village itself, other than some damage and minor thefts”.

The Mirror story was also a reminder that real journalism has to a large extent been replaced by ‘churnalism’, which disregards traditional standards of original news gathering based on impartiality and fact-checking for accuracy and honesty.

The nanny’s story was quickly recycled virtually verbatim on the Internet by other tabloids. Even the broadsheet Daily Telegraph fell into line as did news services in the United States, Australia and New Zealand.

Trial by the media has had a huge influence on public perceptions about guilt or innocence in this case. Most of the mainstream media reports state as if it were a fact that Madeleine was “abducted”. Maybe she was. Maybe she wasn’t. There is no certainty either about the other main theory, that her parents covered up an accidental death in the apartment.

Until solid evidence is found and the culprits are brought to justice, the public fascination with this case will continue to fuel and be fuelled by the media’s determination to churn out stories whose accuracy and agenda may sometimes be open to doubt.

The current avalanche of stories inevitably evokes the previous admission by Lord Bell, founder and former chairman of the Bell Pottinger public relations group, to columnist and author Owen Jones, that “the McCanns paid me £50,000 in fees to keep them on the front page of every single newspaper for a year, which we did”.

Nevertheless, “Maddie” helps circulation figures and makes money. Money, along with misinformation, has always played far too big a part in this case which, let’s remember, is about the tragic loss of a child.
https://www.algarvedailynews.com/news/11540-madeleine-mccann-and-the-media-by-len-port
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