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Offline G-Unit

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2970 on: June 04, 2017, 10:40:14 AM »
Are we right to think we should continue with our normal activities in light of the risks we seem to be facing? Is it brave or foolish? If people started avoiding cities and crowded venues would the government have to take more action?

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Offline jassi

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2971 on: June 04, 2017, 11:07:29 AM »
Are we right to think we should continue with our normal activities in light of the risks we seem to be facing? Is it brave or foolish? If people started avoiding cities and crowded venues would the government have to take more action?

Difficult problem.
Individual risk is minimal, so sensible to continue life as before.
Terrorists generally want to disrupt society by any means possible.
Over-response by government plays into their hands by causing even more disruption.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline G-Unit

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2972 on: June 04, 2017, 12:23:58 PM »
Difficult problem.
Individual risk is minimal, so sensible to continue life as before.
Terrorists generally want to disrupt society by any means possible.
Over-response by government plays into their hands by causing even more disruption.

I'm quite security conscious having been aware of threats for many years. In the 1970's I had to warn my children to beware of unattended bags and packages when the Baader-Meinhof were a threat to our troops and their families in Germany.

On our return to the UK we began to be targeted by the I.R.A.  and again I had to warn my children to be security aware.

In this current climate there seem to be no specific targets  but the risk is higher in crowded places.
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Offline jassi

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2973 on: June 04, 2017, 12:35:06 PM »
I'm quite security conscious having been aware of threats for many years. In the 1970's I had to warn my children to beware of unattended bags and packages when the Baader-Meinhof were a threat to our troops and their families in Germany.

On our return to the UK we began to be targeted by the I.R.A.  and again I had to warn my children to be security aware.

In this current climate there seem to be no specific targets but the risk is higher in crowded places.

Unfortunately that includes just about everywhere -  though the risk to any particular place is very low.

In the absence of any specific aims by the current batch of terrorists, it is difficult to bring this sort of action to any sort of conclusion.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2974 on: June 07, 2017, 06:00:20 PM »
Unfortunately that includes just about everywhere -  though the risk to any particular place is very low.

In the absence of any specific aims by the current batch of terrorists, it is difficult to bring this sort of action to any sort of conclusion.

Oh they have aims!... this is a global attack !here is a couple of views from Muslims (In case I get accused of being a rascist or xenophobic. and have my posts swiped).

Theresa May wants to talk about extremism? Let’s start with our ties with the Saudis
 BY: Moni Mohsin
While western leaders have castigated Muslims for not doing more to rein in radicals, they have been cosying up to the propagators of jihad
Tuesday 6 June 2017 17.53 BST Last modified on Tuesday 6 June 2017 17.59 BST
Two years ago, while researching a book on migration, I visited West Java. One day, while driving through the uplands of Subang, I saw, among the acres of tea and coffee plantations, a huge white edifice. At first I thought it was a mosque: it had a big dome and minarets. But as we drew nearer, I realised it was a cluster of several buildings. When I quizzed my driver, he said that it was indeed a mosque and the buildings attached to it comprised a boarding school. Before I could ask what such an obviously expensive complex was doing in a rural backwater, he added that it was a Saudi-funded establishment. It was one of many, he said, that had cropped up all over West Java in recent years. Did he know anyone who attended that school? He was not local to the area but, he said, near his own village, a similar Saudi-funded school had appeared a while back. Impressed by its spacious grounds and imposing building, he had moved his 10-year-old son there, but within a few weeks he had hastily returned him to his ramshackle old village school. His son had begun, he reported, to express some alarming ideas about “true Islam” and berate his Muslim parents for their easygoing ways.
“You mean it was a madrasa?” I asked him.
“You know the word?”
Yes, I know the word. Originally meaning a seminary for learning the Qur’an and subjects such as philosophy and mathematics, the word “madrasa” has assumed darker connotations in my country of birth, Pakistan. To be fair, a small minority are still that – ordinary schools – but most of Pakistan’s 15,000 to 40,000 madrasas, with a student body of almost 2 million (according to the BBC), are incubators of radicalism where young, impressionable boys from poor homes are sent ostensibly to receive free education and food but in fact to be instructed in hardline Wahhabism (a strict version of Sunni Islam practised in Saudi Arabia) as per the instructions of their financiers and organisers, the Saudis. By the time they “graduate”, they are fully fledged jihadists and recruited as foot soldiers by banned terrorist organisations such as Lashkar-e-Taiba, which orchestrated the Mumbai attacks in 2008, or Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, which targeted Sri Lankan cricketers in Lahore in 2009, or indeed Tehreek-e-Taliban, which attacked a school in Peshawar in 2014, murdering 132 schoolchildren.
This infrastructure of jihad, conceived, organised and financed by Saudis, has been exported all over the Muslim world to systematically destroy plural, liberal traditions of Islam and replace them with Wahhabism. In the Philippines, it has spawned Abu Sayyaf, designated a terrorist organisation by the UN and UK, among others.

In postwar Kosovo, Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states have financed the construction of hundreds of mosques, Qur’an schools and visits by preachers to gradually undermine the tolerant, liberal Islam bequeathed by the Ottomans. In the Saudi-sponsored madrasas of Afghanistan, Islamic extremists from Malaysia, Thailand, Chechnya and central Asia have received instruction in hardline Islam.

Wahhabism made inroads into Pakistan in the early 80s, when I was a schoolgirl in Lahore. I remember when it became mandatory for female newscasters to cover their heads. Mullahs began appearing on television insisting women should confine themselves to their homes. Dance was banned. Cinemas closed down. Someone scrawled a sign on a wall near my house declaring Shias (a minority Muslim sect) to be kafirs (unbelievers). Now the signs go further: they incite believers to kill Shias. And indeed, over the past 20 years, thousands have been killed.

Two of my cousins, prominent Shia men in their districts, were gunned down in broad daylight by a Saudi-backed Sunni terrorist organisation called Sipah-e-Sahaba. Ahmedis (another minority deemed apostates by Wahhabis) and Christians have fared even worse. They have frequently been massacred in their places of worship; those who could afford to do so have left the country. Ancient Sufi shrines, the last strongholds of a liberal Islam, have been bombed up and down the country. In February, a grenade and suicide bomb at a shrine in Sehwan, Sindh, killed at least 88 people and injured more than 250. Anyone who resists or criticises – activists, journalists, religious leaders, lawyers, politicians, artists – has been silenced.

And all this time, while castigating us for not doing more to rein in radical Islam, western leaders have been laying out the red carpet for Saudi royals. While performing sword dances with their Saudi hosts and pledging undying friendship, they have sold billions of dollars worth of arms to them.

So yes, Theresa May, let’s, by all means, have a “difficult conversation” with Muslims. I entirely agree: “enough is enough” and there has been “far too much tolerance of extremism”. I loathe the killers as much as you, but please let’s not confine ourselves only to the foot soldiers. When we converse, let’s be honest and even-handed for once. Let’s start by making public the findings of the report commissioned by your Conservative predecessor, David Cameron, into the funding of jihadi groups in the UK. Instead of regulating cyberspace, why not regulate the flow of funds from Saudi Arabia into the UK? Until you are prepared to do that, Mrs May, let’s not waste our breath on meaningless conversations.

And another piece:

'Get them off the street' Muslim leader demands terror glorifiers are immediately detained
MUSLIMS glorifying terrorist attacks need to be immediately locked up, according to the leader of a Muslim organisation.
By Chris Campbell
PUBLISHED: 08:35, Tue, Jun 6, 2017 | UPDATED: 10:18, Tue, Jun 6, 2017
Mohammed Shafiq, chief executive of the Ramadhan Foundation, said those voicing support for extremism were out in public “hurling their abuse”.
Mr Shafiq added the police and terrorist prevention agencies should step in to put an end to the “glorification” of “barbaric acts” and not leave it to Muslim communities.
Speaking on the Today programme on BBC Radio 4, he said terrorist sympathisers should not be left to “roam our streets”.
He said: “You can’t point the finger at the Muslim community as the Prime Minister did and say we Muslims are too tolerant of Islamic extremism when actually it’s the society and its the agencies that are there to protect us from these terrorists are allowing these terrorist to They’re out there. They’ve been outside mosques, they’ve been out there outside Edgware Road and other parts of the country hurling their abuse.”
Asked if Muslims who hurl that abuse should be “locked up”, he added: “If you glorify terrorism, if you glorify the barbaric crimes which Isis have been involved in then the law should take its course and you should be held accountable.”
The number of potential UK-based terrorists on the radar of the British security services is as high as 23,000, it has emerged.
The figure is more than six times the figure previously released by the Home Office at the time of last month's Manchester bombing.
roam our streets.
Then, it was revealed the security services had 500 live investigations into more than 3,000 suspected radical jihadis, including about 400 people who have remarkably been allowed to return to our shores after fighting with terror group Islamic State in Syria.
But, it has since emerged a further 20,000 radical Islamists have been considered a "person of interest" to the security services at anyone time, according to a security services source.
It is not clear over which timescale the figure relates to.
But the news has led to fears there are simply not enough resources for our security forces and counter terror police to monitor all their activities at anyone time.


And now can we please get back to discussing the invasion of young single males (all suni muslims) from Asia and Africa calling themselves 'refugess and child refufees. And the celebrity luvvies who demand we lose our civil rights to accomodate these parasites to humanity causing mayhem and slaughter in many countries.

That is the answer to the question, what can we do to stop them... well remove human rights, bring in more laws before you know it we will be advised to wear coloured stars to gain access certain public places! No I aint kidding.
Fear is the best weapon governments have to control us. candle light vigils are cute for those to go and cry enmass... sadly this display does nothing to these junkie jihadies, they rather enjoy it.



'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

stephen25000

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Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2975 on: June 11, 2017, 10:30:08 AM »
Now May is on the way out, I wonder if any more money will be given to OG.

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2976 on: June 11, 2017, 11:25:04 AM »
Now May is on the way out, I wonder if any more money will be given to OG.


I would demand justification from Ruth Davidson if this was the case.

 Maddie should be lumped in with the other 'missing' people's families files, who have to bear their agony in private without having 'loadsamunny' to search themselves. AND they don't get aniversary media coverage. But then the didn't waste money chasing  more money, and trying to aportion blame onto others.
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Offline John

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2977 on: June 11, 2017, 11:38:25 AM »
Note to all members:

We have had harmony on the forum recently which is the way it should be. Any member
who attempts to disrupt debate should be in no doubt that they will be sanctioned heavily. 

Moderators please take note!  TY
« Last Edit: June 11, 2017, 11:41:06 AM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline barrier

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2978 on: June 11, 2017, 11:42:16 AM »
Now May is on the way out, I wonder if any more money will be given to OG.

I guess that depends on the last line of enquiry and if it really is worth persuing, more than ever now I suspect budgets will be scrutinised.
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Offline sadie

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2979 on: June 11, 2017, 01:12:19 PM »
Now May is on the way out, I wonder if any more money will be given to OG.
I wondered the same.

Hopefully anyway, the investigation will be completed by September/October this year.  I just hope they have enough evidence to prosecute.


I have no inside info, but last time I phoned SY with info, i was told that they are no longer looking for information about  the perp., but are wanting info about where Madeleine is.

To me, that means they know who the perp is.

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2980 on: June 11, 2017, 01:54:48 PM »
I wondered the same.

Hopefully anyway, the investigation will be completed by September/October this year.  I just hope they have enough evidence to prosecute.


I have no inside info, but last time I phoned SY with info, i was told that they are no longer looking for information about  the perp., but are wanting info about where Madeleine is.

To me, that means they know who the perp is.


But to be kind by saying please do not contact us again with information unless it is important re the the location of Maddie-i.e no time wasters please?
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Offline Brietta

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2981 on: June 13, 2017, 01:52:13 PM »
Kansas prisoner released after 17 years behind bars as researchers find his lookalike
Ricky (left) and Richard Jones (right) CREDIT: KANSAS CITY POLICE DEPT
Richard Jones (right) was freed from prison after researchers tracked down Ricky (left), and proved that eyewitness reports of a robbery were insufficient evidence


 Harriet Alexander, new york
12 JUNE 2017 • 2:31PM

An inmate at a Kansas prison has been released after 17 years behind bars for a crime he did not commit, after researchers tracked down his lookalike.

Richard Anthony Jones was sent to prison for a robbery in 1999 in Roeland Park, Kansas.

There was no DNA evidence or fingerprints linking him to the crime scene, and at trial Mr Jones said that he was with his girlfriend and other family members in Kansas City on the day of the robbery.

But he was convicted on eyewitness accounts, and sentenced to 19 years.

Mr Jones said that he began to despair that he would ever be released from jail, after repeated efforts to appeal against his sentence.

"All my appeals had been denied. It has been a rough ride," he said.

In 2015 he told researchers from the Midwest Innocence Project - a group that aids wrongly convicted prisoners - about a man called Ricky he had heard about. Mr Jones had been told by fellow inmates that he looked identical to Ricky.

Researchers finally managed to track Ricky down, and discovered that he lived within 10 miles of the crime scene.

"When I saw the picture of my double it all made sense to me," he said.

Mr Jones' lawyers then showed the two men's photographs to the victim, two eyewitnesses, and the prosecutor in the original case.  None of them could tell the two apart.

A judge agreed and ordered that Mr Jones be released, with the prisoner finally walking free on Thursday.

“Richard Jones has presented sufficient evidence to meet the under of manifest injustice (under Kansas law),” his lawyers argued in their motion seeking his release.

“Mr Jones was convicted solely on eyewitness testimony that has been proven to be inherently flawed and unreliable.”

Mr Jones said finding a photo of the other man was a "needle in a haystack moment".

“I don't believe in luck, I believe I was blessed,” Mr Jones told the Kansas City Star.

No criminal case has been filed against his double, who gave evidence at Mr Jones's robbery hearing and denied committing the crime.

A lawyer working on his case said the team were "floored by how much" Mr Jones and his double looked alike.

Mr Jones told the paper that he was now adjusting to life outside of jail and was happy to be back with his children.

"Everybody has a doppelgänger," said Alice Craig, Mr Jones' lawyer. "Luckily we found his."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/12/kansas-prisoner-released-17-years-behind-bars-researchers-find/
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline sadie

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2982 on: June 13, 2017, 03:35:48 PM »

But to be kind by saying please do not contact us again with information unless it is important re the the location of Maddie-i.e no time wasters please?

Response shown long enough, so deleted.

Offline misty

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2983 on: June 17, 2017, 11:20:57 PM »
http://portugalresident.com/maddie-disappearance-%E2%80%9Cpretty-much-solved%E2%80%9D-say-sleuths-pushing-for-%E2%80%9Cnew-remit%E2%80%9D

A little over a month since the world’s press went into overdrive commemorating the 10 years since Madeleine McCann vanished during a family holiday in Portugal, campaigners doggedly researching the case insist it has been “pretty much solved”.

It is simply a question of doing away with the “expensive farce” that Operation Grange - the British police investigation into the mystery -“has become”, and opening the field to an “unlimited remit”.

Volunteers running The Complete Mystery of Madeleine McCann (CMoMM) forum contend that “ten years of the UK Police and government deliberately looking in the wrong direction is criminal”.

Thus, the group that includes retired police officers has approached Prime Minister Theresa May and Metropolitan Police chief Cressida Dick with a renewed call for action in the form of a six-page letter setting out all their reasons.

CMoMM leading light Jill Havern - formerly attached to RAF military police at USAFE, Alconbury airbase in the UK - told the Resident that she suspects “something very wicked lies at the heart of this case”, bearing in mind that the forum’s repeated approaches to the authorities “always fall on deaf ears”.

“We have written Petitions, submitted FOI (Freedom of Information) requests… All replies are written from the same script. It doesn't matter from which department.

“Basically people want to prevent our research”, she continued.

Right now, “CMoMM is being mercilessly attacked by nameless faceless entities on the internet”, she added.
There have even been “death threats” aimed at a forum member whose book: “"What Really Happened to Madeleine McCann: 60 Reasons which suggest she was not abducted" was ‘silenced’ in 2009 by lawyers working for the McCann parents.

But adversity has not deterred campaigners from pushing for what they believe to be the truth to be allowed to come out.

Thus last month’s media razzmatazz - and three key developments that it threw up - have been seized in this latest bid for “a new unlimited remit”.

Havern actually dubs the moment “urgent”.

She explains in the letter sent to Downing Street and the Met that Portugal’s highest court in the land has ruled in favour of former Maddie investigator Gonçalo Amaral - bringing his court wins in the bitter legal case brought by the McCanns to three (click here), and dispensing with any further chances of appeal.

In a rejection of the McCann’s ‘last pitch’ at litigation in Portugal, the Supreme Tribunal reiterated that the couple had not been cleared of involvement in their daughter’s disappearance (click here).

And in interviews with Sky News and “an Australian news source” former Metropolitan Police Detective Chief Inspector Colin Sutton dropped the bombshell about being warned off leading Grange “by a very senior Met police officer” as he (Sutton) “wouldn’t be able to go where he wanted to” .

Havern quoted Sutton as saying: "Operation Grange's narrow remit to focus only on the theory that the four-year-old was abducted from the family's holiday apartment in Portugal was unusual and a 'missed opportunity'..."

Reminding the prime minister of a previous letter from the forum, pushing for true transparency, openness and thoroughness - to the point that detectives are free to go “wherever the evidence leads them” - CMoMM said that it hopes a new remit would also give a green-light to investigate “all aspects of the operation of the Find Madeleine Fund, including:
investigating the actions of all of its Directors,
the funding of the private investigations,
whether or not funds have been used to pay the McCanns’ legal fees and expenses,
why it was necessary for a separate account to be set up last year, to be controlled by the McCanns and not the Directors, and
accounting for all monies paid into and from the Find Madeleine Fund since it was set up in May 2007.”

So, does Havern think she will get answers?

The amateur sleuth is not holding her breath - particularly as Theresa May is “up to her ears in problems” right now.

“Ultimately, we will have to make a Misconduct in Public Office complaint”, she told us. “But that cannot happen until Grange is concluded”.

Indeed, there are those who believe the only reason Grange remains open is to stave off the effects of its closure - both in UK and Portugal - bearing in mind it has spent around €15 million without producing any answers.

Here, for example, a vindicated Amaral is still adamant that the Supreme Court victory should impel the PJ to “once and for all start investigating” (click here).

“REAL JOURNALISM WOULD HAVE QUESTIONED TAPAS GROUP”

Amaral, who has a second book in hand - ready for publication once Grange is wound-up - believes it is “high time to channel efforts into what’s important”: getting to the truth.

In an interview with the Resident shortly after his third legal victory in the battle for his right to freedom of expression, he said “perhaps it is time to transform the PJGA initiative” (set up to help him pay his legal costs) “into PJMM, Projecto Justiça Madeleine McCann”.

“With the collaboration of retired Portuguese and British police”, PJMM could “advance with a real, objective, independent investigation to investigate the causes of the mysterious disappearance, search for the child and identify those responsible”, he said.

“An independent investigation that doesn’t look at names but looks at evidence and facts - without worrying about the position of anyone - is possible”, he believes, though the quality of journalism over the last 10 years has clearly left him unimpressed.

“Not one organ of communication bothered interviewing the companions of (Madeleine’s) parents”, he told us.

“They should be bombarded with questions, but no one questions.

“In the front line appears the parents, with the friends in silence...It is strange, very strange”.

A former British police superintendent, member of CMoMM and author of the ebook “What Really Happened to Madeleine McCann?” put the forum’s new initiative into three simple sentences:

“This is not about any kind of personal vendetta against the McCann parents, it is a search for the truth of what happened to Madeleine”.

“If the McCanns, any of their detectives, the PJ or Grange can come up with a cogent, coherent and credible story about what happened between 9pm and 9.50 pm on 3/5/2007 then we all want to hear it.

“But each bit of what we have been told has been proved to have been wrong, mistaken, irrelevant, or a simple lie”.

natasha.donn@algarveresident.com

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Not TB's forum has submitted yet another letter to various top bods on 12th June demanding a fresh investigation. Quite how he/they think(s) a new investigation governed by the same forces would differ from the current one is anybody's guess but it's clear that because OG is not seen to be producing the result desired by CMoMM (i.e the parents incarcerated) then that particular team should be removed.
I was drawn to another article today  and wondered if this may be the area the Met may be forbidden to investigate, bearing in mind the Russian presence in Luz (referenced by Murat & Walczuch in a telephone intercept). Just something to ponder.  https://www.buzzfeed.com/heidiblake/from-russia-with-blood-14-suspected-hits-on-british-soil?utm_term=.deeqGmdBN#.xqn73pDM2

Offline Eleanor

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2984 on: June 18, 2017, 01:33:51 AM »

What is a "Misconduct in Office Complaint?"