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Offline Eleanor

Re: Madeleine Fund end of year accounts 2016-2017 delayed.
« Reply #30 on: December 26, 2017, 02:38:20 PM »
The first end of year accounts were transparent because they included the Profit and Loss Account. Following media criticism that particular account was never included again. Clarence Mitchell's statement was true in reference to the 2007-08 accounts, but not of subsequent years.

The McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "The accounts have been independently audited and are entirely transparent."
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id205.htm#30

Hiding the details of the Fund's income and expenditure stopped criticism of specific items of expenditure but it also suggested that the initial criticisms were not unfounded.

Why does this matter to you so much?

Offline Brietta

Re: Madeleine Fund end of year accounts 2016-2017 delayed.
« Reply #31 on: December 26, 2017, 02:51:08 PM »
I find it totally bizarre that individuals have been so resistant to a missing child's fund ... particularly since it can be reasonably concluded they would have apoplexy at the thought of contributing a farthing to it.

It tells me a lot more about the nature of the critics than it does about anything else.  I have never found them edifying.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

Re: Madeleine Fund end of year accounts 2016-2017 delayed.
« Reply #32 on: December 26, 2017, 02:59:34 PM »
Why does this matter to you so much?

I wouldn't describe anything about this case as mattering to me to any great degree.  I'm interested in the reasons for ceasing to be transparent as promised because if someone seems to want to hide something then I'm curious as to what it is and why they want to hide it.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Madeleine Fund end of year accounts 2016-2017 delayed.
« Reply #33 on: December 26, 2017, 03:36:07 PM »
I wouldn't describe anything about this case as mattering to me to any great degree.  I'm interested in the reasons for ceasing to be transparent as promised because if someone seems to want to hide something then I'm curious as to what it is and why they want to hide it.

While it has never crossed my mind to even wonder.  And I know who I would prefer to be..
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Madeleine Fund end of year accounts 2016-2017 delayed.
« Reply #34 on: December 26, 2017, 06:23:30 PM »
While it has never crossed my mind to even wonder.  And I know who I would prefer to be..

Me too.  8((()*/
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Offline Brietta

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« Reply #35 on: December 26, 2017, 08:01:10 PM »
I wouldn't describe anything about this case as mattering to me to any great degree.  I'm interested in the reasons for ceasing to be transparent as promised because if someone seems to want to hide something then I'm curious as to what it is and why they want to hide it.

Therein lies a big difference between thee and me as far as Madeleine's case is concerned.  It matters to me that the case to find what happened to her should progress as far as it possibly can and that a conclusion may be reached. Hopefully a satisfactory one. So my curiosity is confined to whoever may be hiding something that will lead to that.
The importance of the end of this year's accounts or any other year's for that matter means absolutely zilch to me: it means nothing in my opinion short of the continuance of a vendetta which has been waged against Madeleine and her family for over ten years.
When is enough, enough?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Madeleine Fund end of year accounts 2016-2017 delayed.
« Reply #36 on: December 26, 2017, 08:45:30 PM »
Therein lies a big difference between thee and me as far as Madeleine's case is concerned.  It matters to me that the case to find what happened to her should progress as far as it possibly can and that a conclusion may be reached. Hopefully a satisfactory one. So my curiosity is confined to whoever may be hiding something that will lead to that.
The importance of the end of this year's accounts or any other year's for that matter means absolutely zilch to me: it means nothing in my opinion short of the continuance of a vendetta which has been waged against Madeleine and her family for over ten years.
When is enough, enough?

Emotive words aside, we all want the case solved, we just aren’t all as restrictive as to how and who.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Madeleine Fund end of year accounts 2016-2017 delayed.
« Reply #37 on: December 26, 2017, 09:27:16 PM »
Therein lies a big difference between thee and me as far as Madeleine's case is concerned.  It matters to me that the case to find what happened to her should progress as far as it possibly can and that a conclusion may be reached. Hopefully a satisfactory one. So my curiosity is confined to whoever may be hiding something that will lead to that.
The importance of the end of this year's accounts or any other year's for that matter means absolutely zilch to me: it means nothing in my opinion short of the continuance of a vendetta which has been waged against Madeleine and her family for over ten years.
When is enough, enough?

You believe the accounts have nothing of interest to impart. I find them very interesting because it seems that some people want to keep the details secret.

In my opinion a vendetta has been waged for over ten years against those who don't unquestionably accept everything the McCann family say and do. When are they and their supporters going to stop doing that, I wonder?
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Madeleine Fund end of year accounts 2016-2017 delayed.
« Reply #38 on: December 26, 2017, 09:38:01 PM »

Leeway is being given at the moment.  But please can we remember Forum Rules.

Offline Brietta

Re: Madeleine Fund end of year accounts 2016-2017 delayed.
« Reply #39 on: December 26, 2017, 09:47:36 PM »
Emotive words aside, we all want the case solved, we just aren’t all as restrictive as to how and who.

Can you give any indication at all exactly where and how perusal of the 'End of Year Accounts' will contribute to solving Madeleine's case?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

Re: Madeleine Fund end of year accounts 2016-2017 delayed.
« Reply #40 on: December 27, 2017, 08:24:01 AM »
Can you give any indication at all exactly where and how perusal of the 'End of Year Accounts' will contribute to solving Madeleine's case?

Nothing discussed on any forum will contribute to solving Madeleine's case in my opinion.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Madeleine Fund end of year accounts 2016-2017 delayed.
« Reply #41 on: December 27, 2017, 08:25:30 AM »
Nothing discussed on any forum will contribute to solving Madeleine's case in my opinion.

I agree....although some seem to think it will

Offline Benice

Re: Madeleine Fund end of year accounts 2016-2017 delayed.
« Reply #42 on: December 27, 2017, 09:53:13 AM »
Oh, do come on.  You don't want to deprive them of their Annual Whinge, do you?  I mean, it is only once a year. Although it does tend to go on a bit.  We haven't yet got over last year.  There is still meat to be extracted from that one.

Oh, and then there is still 2007 that we never quite got to the bottom of.

Quite so -although I think it's only fair to mention that IMO it wasn't quite so prolific last year as some sceptics had the good grace to recognise that as Amaral had decided for some reason not to publicise his accounts for his supporters to see how their donations to his 'cause' had been spent -  the usual indignant outrage re 'transparency'  over the McCann accounts would be seen as more than a tad hypocritical by some.     

All in my opinion
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Madeleine Fund end of year accounts 2016-2017 delayed.
« Reply #43 on: December 27, 2017, 01:44:30 PM »
Quite so -although I think it's only fair to mention that IMO it wasn't quite so prolific last year as some sceptics had the good grace to recognise that as Amaral had decided for some reason not to publicise his accounts for his supporters to see how their donations to his 'cause' had been spent -  the usual indignant outrage re 'transparency'  over the McCann accounts would be seen as more than a tad hypocritical by some.     

All in my opinion

I don't 'support' either party, and I donated to neither fund. I have no qualms about pointing out that the transparency promised by the Find Madeleine Fund wasn't delivered. Equally those who appealed for funds to help Amaral haven't, as yet, explained what the money they raised was spent on. That's these people; ‘Citizens in Defence of Rights and Freedoms – Project Justice Gonçalo Amaral’

That means both organisations appear to have let down those who donated to their causes. The only difference is that those who donated to help Amaral have the satisfaction of knowing that the objective was achieved. His lawyers were paid and he was exonerated. The Find Madeleine Fund, on the other hand, has spent shed loads of money on all kinds of projects, but has achieved none of it's goals. Unless you count producing a couple of e-fits which Operation Grange quite liked imo.
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Offline Benice

Re: Madeleine Fund end of year accounts 2016-2017 delayed.
« Reply #44 on: December 28, 2017, 09:54:33 AM »
I don't 'support' either party, and I donated to neither fund. I have no qualms about pointing out that the transparency promised by the Find Madeleine Fund wasn't delivered. Equally those who appealed for funds to help Amaral haven't, as yet, explained what the money they raised was spent on. That's these people; ‘Citizens in Defence of Rights and Freedoms – Project Justice Gonçalo Amaral’

That means both organisations appear to have let down those who donated to their causes. The only difference is that those who donated to help Amaral have the satisfaction of knowing that the objective was achieved. His lawyers were paid and he was exonerated. The Find Madeleine Fund, on the other hand, has spent shed loads of money on all kinds of projects, but has achieved none of it's goals. Unless you count producing a couple of e-fits which Operation Grange quite liked imo.

I get the impression from a previous post - that because the McCann accounts are not as detailed as they could be - you have not ruled out the possibility that this lack of information may indicate an intention  to 'hide' information.        And yet  - even with no accounts at all being provided to the public as a result of Amaral's decision not to publish them - you are able to state as a fact -  how the money collected for him was spent and apparently do not consider his own deliberate withholding of info may indicate an intent to hide information on his part imo.   

Inexplicable logic IMO.

p.s. Does your knowledge  of what happened to his fund money extend to knowing whether any donations to a children's charity were made?.
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal