Libel - How is libel defined by the forum?

[barrier]

Libel in uk law is extremely  simple

G Archer made that simple mistake.
£1.5 million I believe.

[Carana]

G Archer made that simple mistake.
£1.5 million I believe.

And there's an expensive story behind the expression of someone being "tired and emotional". lol

[G-Unit]

The group were keen to get all the details recorded for the police so they got together and agreed a timeline which was given to the PJ on 10th May. It says;

2115: JT leaves table, and sees GM talking with fellow resident ("Jez" Wilkins) outside the patio gate of 5A. The two were standing just up the hill from the gate towards Rua A. da Silva Road. She did not speak to GM as she passed.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIME_LINE_3_MAY_07.htm

On the same day Gerry tells the PJ;

After going through the side gate, and while on his way to the secondary reception entrance, less than 10 metres from the gate, he saw JEZ coming up the street on the opposite pavement bring with him a baby carriage with his youngest child. He crossed the road in JEZ's direction who would come up on the right-hand side [when viewed] from the ascending direction, both having chatted for 3 to 4 minutes,
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

Clearly Jane and Gerry don't agree. Jez agrees with Jane, too;

I met him near the stairs of a ground floor. There was a gate leading up to some stairs
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS.htm

A person looking at all that might think that Gerry is lying, but it would be libellous to write it down because lying is a deliberate attempt to deceive, and that can't be demonstrated. In such cases the poster can present the evidence and readers can form their own opinions as to why Gerry seemed initially to accept Jane's version but then changed it.

[Robittybob1]

They do the combined timeline before the next round of interviews and from then on it is sorted.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIME_LINE_3_MAY_07.htm
 "2105: GM returns to his flat (5A) and enters via the patio gate entrance. This and a child gate at the top of the stairs were closed at the time. He enters the flat via the patio door which is closed but unlocked."

[G-Unit]

They do the combined timeline before the next round of interviews and from then on it is sorted.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIME_LINE_3_MAY_07.htm
 "2105: GM returns to his flat (5A) and enters via the patio gate entrance. This and a child gate at the top of the stairs were closed at the time. He enters the flat via the patio door which is closed but unlocked."

I was using the anomaly as an example of what you can and cannot post, but as you've answered it I have to point out that 2 or 3 days after the group agreed to give their definitive written record to the police Gerry contradicted it in his next statement.

[jassi]

They do the combined timeline before the next round of interviews and from then on it is sorted.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIME_LINE_3_MAY_07.htm
 "2105: GM returns to his flat (5A) and enters via the patio gate entrance. This and a child gate at the top of the stairs were closed at the time. He enters the flat via the patio door which is closed but unlocked."

How does it compare with the hand-written done on the back of a colouring book?

[G-Unit]

How does it compare with the hand-written done on the back of a colouring book?

The first is the handwritten, the second the typed.

All at table 8.45 becomes 9 pm
Matthew listens at windows at 9 pm then 8.55.
Gerry's check 9.15 to 9.05
Jane's check 9.20 to 9.15
Russell in 5D 9.30 becomes 9.25
Kate's check 9.55 to 10.00.

The biggest changes are the 15 minute change to when everyone was seated and the 10 minute change in Gerry's checking time. It's peculiar that Jane checked at 9.20 and Russell was back there at 9.30.

[slartibartfast]

The first is the handwritten, the second the typed.

All at table 8.45 becomes 9 pm
Matthew listens at windows at 9 pm then 8.55.
Gerry's check 9.15 to 9.05
Jane's check 9.20 to 9.15
Russell in 5D 9.30 becomes 9.25
Kate's check 9.55 to 10.00.

The biggest changes are the 15 minute change to when everyone was seated and the 10 minute change in Gerry's checking time. It's peculiar that Jane checked at 9.20 and Russell was back there at 9.30.

The typed one creates a bigger interval, though not at the time first suspected.

[jassi]

The first is the handwritten, the second the typed.

All at table 8.45 becomes 9 pm
Matthew listens at windows at 9 pm then 8.55.
Gerry's check 9.15 to 9.05
Jane's check 9.20 to 9.15
Russell in 5D 9.30 becomes 9.25
Kate's check 9.55 to 10.00.

The biggest changes are the 15 minute change to when everyone was seated and the 10 minute change in Gerry's checking time. It's peculiar that Jane checked at 9.20 and Russell was back there at 9.30.

Yes, I mentioned that earlier, either here or on another thread. No sensible explanation, only that he had a need to take a pee.
Somebody else taking the P, I think.

[Carana]

When did Russell make those first notes? In the middle of the night of 3-4 May, or am I mistaken about that?

If so, how many people would have been thinking clearly at that point?

On 4 May, lots of them had different impressions of time. They were on holiday and prior to the disappearance little reason to have a precise notion of time.

If K & G chose to do their checks according to time as opposed to pauses in the meals, then the others may have taken that as a guideline in the typed-up version.

Once they'd worked out who arrived in which order and who left for a check in which order and a rough estimation of time in between those "events", with the inevitable "no, I think you left a bit before / after" and any discussion around that, then a more accurate estimation of times could be made (from their point of view).

Unless, of course, everyone was "init" and they just hoped that none of the guests or staff, or even potential CCTVs could verifiably contradict them.

If that were the case, and nothing's impossible, what evidence is there that there was some kind of pre-planned or spontaneous cover-up? And why would they all agree to it? They'd already stated what their child-care arrangements were (whether one thinks that they were irresponsible or not).

I've reads loads of the conspiracy theories, but they all seem to start from the parentswhatdunnit theory, that Amaral was absolutely correct, "except for...". One was even that she'd never even gone to Portugal, another that she'd been cloned, yet another popular one seems to be that she was done away with almost as soon as she arrived and that anyone who'd seen her was unreliable.

What evidence supports these theories?

[Robittybob1]

The typed one creates a bigger interval, though not at the time first suspected.

That is one of those IQ tests that I could easily fail.  Where is the bigger interval and was it done intentionally?
"The first is the handwritten, the second the typed.

1. All at table 8.45 becomes 9 pm - that is correct as there was no way the statements aligned if they were all there at 8:45, yet Carpenter said they were all there earlier but did he count properly??   

2. Matthew listens at windows at 9 pm then 8.55.  Minor alteration.

3. Gerry's check 9.15 to 9.05  - Significant change, suspicious?
Jane's check 9.20 to 9.15 - I think this becomes important if they want to allow Jane to see Jez and Gerry talk If it was 9:20 she missed Jez and Gerry.

Russell in 5D 9.30 becomes 9.25 well relatively minor but what is the point?

Kate's check 9.55 to 10.00."  I think there had to be enough time allowed to recook Russell's steak. The return of his steak coincides with Kate's check somehow.  For he doesn't get to finish it.

[Carana]

That is one of those IQ tests that I could easily fail.  Where is the bigger interval and was it done intentionally?
"The first is the handwritten, the second the typed.

1. All at table 8.45 becomes 9 pm - that is correct as there was no way the statements aligned if they were all there at 8:45, yet Carpenter said they were all there earlier but did he count properly??   

2. Matthew listens at windows at 9 pm then 8.55.  Minor alteration.

3. Gerry's check 9.15 to 9.05  - Significant change, suspicious?
Jane's check 9.20 to 9.15 - I think this becomes important if they want to allow Jane to see Jez and Gerry talk If it was 9:20 she missed Jez and Gerry.

Russell in 5D 9.30 becomes 9.25 well relatively minor but what is the point?

Kate's check 9.55 to 10.00."  I think there had to be enough time allowed to recook Russell's steak. The return of his steak coincides with Kate's check somehow.  For he doesn't get to finish it.

Russell's drafts on the back of a colouring book seem to have been just trying to jot down notes based on whoever was around. At least that's how I understand the situation at whatever time it was, when not everyone was necessarily around and not necessarily in a state of mind to concentrate.

The typed-up one may well have been done at a moment with fewer "headless chickens" in a state of panic.

Which is more likely to be accurate?