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Offline Brietta

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #300 on: February 22, 2018, 01:04:14 PM »
People's priorities differ, What might be important to one person can be much less so to another.

What is the priority in a missing child investigation?  Surely the missing child irrespective of who he or she may be?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #301 on: February 22, 2018, 01:07:27 PM »
They should have reported their suspicions the next day, then I'd believe them.

It doesn't matter whether you believe them or not. It's whether OG believe them that matters.
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Offline jassi

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #302 on: February 22, 2018, 01:19:59 PM »
What is the priority in a missing child investigation?  Surely the missing child irrespective of who he or she may be?

To those involved, definitely. To others, maybe less so.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #303 on: February 22, 2018, 01:26:51 PM »
It doesn't matter whether you believe them or not. It's whether OG believe them that matters.
I would say OG believe they saw, a man carrying a child... Which is obviously  important... But I don't think OG thought the man was, Gerry

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #304 on: February 22, 2018, 04:22:30 PM »
Jane Tanner reported her sighting immediately the police arrived on the scene of Madeleine's disappearance ... still in my opinion when timeous recovery might still have been effected.

The Smith sighting was not reported to the police for a fortnight after the event.

Take from that what you will.
AFAIK, Jane Tanner's sighting was not reported 'immediately' to the police.  The GNR were talking to Kate and Gerry, neither of whom knew about the sighting at that time.

Jane became aware of Madeleine's disappearance when Kate et al were at the front of block 5. A prudent course of action would have been to inform the menfolk, so that they could search in the direction Jane saw the man walking.

I can't remember when Jane got around to informing the menfolk, but I would guesstimate it was an hour or more after she saw Tannerman, and an hour is one heck of a headstart.  Personally, I would still have had a stab at searching in that direction, but that is just me.

At around 10.15 pm, Gerry seemed to be under the mistaken impression that Matthew had got the police called.  Perhaps he felt it more prudent to wait with Kate for the police to arrive.

Have you any idea of when the GNR turned up at 5A?  My best estimate at the moment is around 11.20 pm.  Since policemen were engaged on working out the basics, I don't see how the Tannerman information could have been imparted to them before 11.30 pm.  That would give Tannerman a headstart of 2 hours and 15 minutes.

I can walk from Luz to Lagos in less than this.

Precisely how 2 GNR officers could search this radius is beyond me.

IIRC, more GNR officers were called to Luz, and the incident was escalated to the PJ.

I can see nothing to criticise those first officers, but that of course is IMO.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #305 on: February 22, 2018, 04:27:06 PM »
AFAIK, Jane Tanner's sighting was not reported 'immediately' to the police.  The GNR were talking to Kate and Gerry, neither of whom knew about the sighting at that time.

Jane became aware of Madeleine's disappearance when Kate et al were at the front of block 5. A prudent course of action would have been to inform the menfolk, so that they could search in the direction Jane saw the man walking.

I can't remember when Jane got around to informing the menfolk, but I would guesstimate it was an hour or more after she saw Tannerman, and an hour is one heck of a headstart.  Personally, I would still have had a stab at searching in that direction, but that is just me.

At around 10.15 pm, Gerry seemed to be under the mistaken impression that Matthew had got the police called.  Perhaps he felt it more prudent to wait with Kate for the police to arrive.

Have you any idea of when the GNR turned up at 5A?  My best estimate at the moment is around 11.20 pm.  Since policemen were engaged on working out the basics, I don't see how the Tannerman information could have been imparted to them before 11.30 pm.  That would give Tannerman a headstart of 2 hours and 15 minutes.

I can walk from Luz to Lagos in less than this.

Precisely how 2 GNR officers could search this radius is beyond me.

IIRC, more GNR officers were called to Luz, and the incident was escalated to the PJ.

I can see nothing to criticise those first officers, but that of course is IMO.
I don't think anyone really criticizes the initial response... They aren't the police who deal with serious crime and cannot be blamed for believing maddie simply wandered  off... It's the pj who have come in for criticism and quite rightly so imo

Offline G-Unit

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #306 on: February 22, 2018, 05:12:19 PM »
I would say OG believe they saw, a man carrying a child... Which is obviously  important... But I don't think OG thought the man was, Gerry

Well the jury seems to be out on whether Redwood was pretending to be stupid (crecheman's walking direction) or not. Perhaps he didn't read Mr Smiths statement or take a good look at the e-fits either.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #307 on: February 22, 2018, 05:37:51 PM »
Well the jury seems to be out on whether Redwood was pretending to be stupid (crecheman's walking direction) or not. Perhaps he didn't read Mr Smiths statement or take a good look at the e-fits either.

Perhaps you could clear up a point... Are you and others basing tannermans direction on crime watch...

Offline Brietta

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #308 on: February 22, 2018, 05:44:56 PM »
AFAIK, Jane Tanner's sighting was not reported 'immediately' to the police.  The GNR were talking to Kate and Gerry, neither of whom knew about the sighting at that time.

Jane became aware of Madeleine's disappearance when Kate et al were at the front of block 5. A prudent course of action would have been to inform the menfolk, so that they could search in the direction Jane saw the man walking.

I can't remember when Jane got around to informing the menfolk, but I would guesstimate it was an hour or more after she saw Tannerman, and an hour is one heck of a headstart.  Personally, I would still have had a stab at searching in that direction, but that is just me.

At around 10.15 pm, Gerry seemed to be under the mistaken impression that Matthew had got the police called.  Perhaps he felt it more prudent to wait with Kate for the police to arrive.

Have you any idea of when the GNR turned up at 5A?  My best estimate at the moment is around 11.20 pm.  Since policemen were engaged on working out the basics, I don't see how the Tannerman information could have been imparted to them before 11.30 pm.  That would give Tannerman a headstart of 2 hours and 15 minutes.

I can walk from Luz to Lagos in less than this.

Precisely how 2 GNR officers could search this radius is beyond me.

IIRC, more GNR officers were called to Luz, and the incident was escalated to the PJ.

I can see nothing to criticise those first officers, but that of course is IMO.

In my opinion one of the more salient points about the Smith sighting was that it took a fortnight for it to be reported to the Gardai in the first instance, a fortnight into the investigation of Madeleine's disappearance 
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #309 on: February 22, 2018, 06:12:18 PM »
In my opinion one of the more salient points about the Smith sighting was that it took a fortnight for it to be reported to the Gardai in the first instance, a fortnight into the investigation of Madeleine's disappearance

OG seemed content to publicise their evidence so it seems it wasn't a problem in their opinion.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #310 on: February 22, 2018, 06:18:49 PM »
People's priorities differ, What might be important to one person can be much less so to another.
IMO that seems to be the problem.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #311 on: February 22, 2018, 06:22:53 PM »
It doesn't matter whether you believe them or not. It's whether OG believe them that matters.
If I don't believe them and OG do I'll see if I can change their POV, especially if I feel strongly about it..  Martin Smith says he still thinks it was Gerry yet he didn't draw an e-fit with an extreme likeness to Gerry.  That in itself is weird IMO.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #312 on: February 22, 2018, 06:36:53 PM »
If I don't believe them and OG do I'll see if I can change their POV, especially if I feel strongly about it..  Martin Smith says he still thinks it was Gerry yet he didn't draw an e-fit with an extreme likeness to Gerry.  That in itself is weird IMO.

Are you teasing me or do you really believe that the Metropolitan police might take your opinion into account?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #313 on: February 22, 2018, 06:37:59 PM »
If I don't believe them and OG do I'll see if I can change their POV, especially if I feel strongly about it..  Martin Smith says he still thinks it was Gerry yet he didn't draw an e-fit with an extreme likeness to Gerry.  That in itself is weird IMO.

He doesn't say he thinks it was Gerry

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #314 on: February 22, 2018, 06:38:20 PM »
Why aren't they in the PJ files?  How come Amaral didn't ask the Smiths to do e-fits at the beginning?
They are not in the PJ Files because they were produced AFTER the Portuguese investigation was archived.

If you can provide any support for efits being used in Portugal for public appeals around 2007, I would be most interested.  But if you can't ....
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