Yvonne Martin - how much information did she really uncover?

[Miss Taken Identity]

I don't interfere with witnesses. Whatever she knows, its her duty to tell the police, not me.

why not contact her and tell her what her duty is if you are so sure she didn't contact them, or that they are unaware of her concerns.  any concerned citizen like you should feel it your duty to ensure Kate get the justice she deserves.
 

[misty]

why not contact her and tell her what her duty is if you are so sure she didn't contact them, or that they are unaware of her concerns.  any concerned citizen like you should feel it your duty to ensure Kate get the justice she deserves.

She spoke to the PJ on more than one occasion. If she had recorded any concerns in her capacity as a childcare officer, she should have voiced them to the investigating force at the time, not now, nearly 11 years later.

[Robittybob1]

She spoke to the PJ on more than one occasion. If she had recorded any concerns in her capacity as a childcare officer, she should have voiced them to the investigating force at the time, not now, nearly 11 years later.

From what I read she told them all she knew, but it wasn't enough to take action on.

[Miss Taken Identity]

She spoke to the PJ on more than one occasion. If she had recorded any concerns in her capacity as a childcare officer, she should have voiced them to the investigating force at the time, not now, nearly 11 years later.

Well, I am sure if she takes up Robbitys kind offer she may feel the need to answer your questions on this very thread, but then again she may not, thinking you have no claim to her private conversations... And she would be right, who do you people think you are exactly?

We could arrange for her  to be taken to the Tower to be beheaded for such a crime...

[Alice Purjorick]

Why not?

Were I she I would have phoned my line manager to tell him what happened made file notes to the effect that I offered help which was refused including any other points I considered salient, then do what he boss said.
Unfortunately in this context I would have been the boss so I would not have bothered to phone myself, just done the file note bit so there was a record of my actions, then carried on with my holiday.
If you think carefully and logically you will be able to work out the answer to your next "why" or "why not" so don't ask I am not playing friggin' "supporters ping pong" that gradually leads the topic off topic.

[Robittybob1]

Well, I am sure if she takes up Robbitys kind offer she may feel the need to answer your questions on this very thread, but then again she may not, thinking you have no claim to her private conversations... And she would be right, who do you people think you are exactly?

We could arrange for her  to be taken to the Tower to be beheaded for such a crime...

Who do we think we are?  I know who I am.  I know what I have set out to do.  But I don't always know how to do it.

[Eleanor]

Were I she I would have phoned my line manager to tell him what happened made file notes to the effect that I offered help which was refused including any other points I considered salient, then do what he boss said.
Unfortunately in this context I would have been the boss so I would not have bothered to phone myself, just done the file note bit so there was a record of my actions, then carried on with my holiday.
If you think carefully and logically you will be able to work out the answer to your next "why" or "why not" so don't ask I am not playing friggin' "supporters ping pong" that gradually leads the topic off topic.

Would you have reported yourself for writing an anonymous letter?

[Miss Taken Identity]

Who do we think we are?  I know who I am.  I know what I have set out to do.  But I don't always know how to do it.

lol  I was talking to Misty and Brietta [ who made a despicable slur about YM] and them demanding they be told as if YM owed them some kind of explanation for her actions- which she doesn't.  That was my point. you are asking questions as a means to an end they are just trying to dismiss her as someone who caused poor Kate more pain.

[Brietta]

I have written to Yvonne Martin and asked her to read this thread.  I am now concerned she might find that post libellous.  The expression "that was part of her insidious case building exercise to implicate innocent people and malign them"  is the most damning accusation I've seen made on this forum in all the last two years of being here.

" ... this time, her initial doubt faded and she concluded that she had seen the face in the course of her professional activity in child protection, not being able to discern if he was a suspect/arguido or witness"
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/YVONNE-WARREN-MARTIN.htm

That isn't insidious? 
It isn't making unfounded allegations about someone who happened to thwart her? 

[Brietta]

Were I she I would have phoned my line manager to tell him what happened made file notes to the effect that I offered help which was refused including any other points I considered salient, then do what he boss said.
Unfortunately in this context I would have been the boss so I would not have bothered to phone myself, just done the file note bit so there was a record of my actions, then carried on with my holiday.
If you think carefully and logically you will be able to work out the answer to your next "why" or "why not" so don't ask I am not playing friggin' "supporters ping pong" that gradually leads the topic off topic.

Exactly what jurisdiction did her line manager have in Portugal?

[Alice Purjorick]

Would you have reported yourself for writing an anonymous letter?

I would not have written it in the first place. [mind you the idea of running from one side of the desk to other givng myself a rollicking appeals to my sense of the ridiculous]
One can only speculate why Ms Martin chose to do so.
It is best not to speculate about human nature in my experience.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Would you have reported yourself for writing an anonymous letter?

Yes, why not. We are offered to give information anonymously- even on Crime-stoppers we are encouraged to be anonymous. The reasons being it can cause personal injury or death to some people who report these types of crimes.

At the risk of being called a racist some communities hide information about  some families sending their daughters being taken abroad and murdered by family for not 'marrying' a chosen husband- some of these are children under 10 years of age. 

It is just the one law covering all possible angles. Anonymity is the preferred choice of many in these cases.
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"That isn't insidious? 
It isn't making unfounded allegations about someone who happened to thwart her? "

No and No is the answer to those questions.  who said she was 'thwarted" and this was a reason to secretly build a case against someone?

You said that no one else... libel. 

[Brietta]

Yes, why not. We are offered to give information anonymously- even on Crime-stoppers we are encouraged to be anonymous. The reasons being it can cause personal injury or death to some people who report these types of crimes.

At the risk of being called a racist some communities hide information about  some families sending their daughters being taken abroad and murdered by family for not 'marrying' a chosen husband- some of these are children under 10 years of age. 

It is just the one law covering all possible angles. Anonymity is the preferred choice of many in these cases.
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"That isn't insidious? 
It isn't making unfounded allegations about someone who happened to thwart her? "

No and No is the answer to those questions.  who said she was 'thwarted" and this was a reason to secretly build a case against someone?

You said that no one else... libel. 

Then report it   

[Alice Purjorick]

Exactly what jurisdiction did her line manager have in Portugal?

Probably none but that isn't exactly the point is it ?
There are two distinct issues to be considered one of which is the business of the line manager, his authority outside that of line manager being irrelevant, the other isn't.
It depends whether or not Ms Martin presented herself as acting in a friendly unofficial capacity to give limited assistance, or presented herself as acting in an official capacity on behalf of some organisation or other.
Were I her line manager I would want to know all about the latter, up front, because of the potential liability it could attach to the organisation.

[misty]

Probably none but that isn't exactly the point is it ?
There are two distinct issues to be considered one of which is the business of the line manager, his authority outside that of line manager being irrelevant, the other isn't.
It depends whether or not Ms Martin presented herself as acting in a friendly unofficial capacity to give limited assistance, or presented herself as acting in an official capacity on behalf of some organisation or other.
Were I her line manager I would want to know all about the latter, up front, because of the potential liability it could attach to the organisation.

Maybe she was the line manager back in the UK.