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Offline Eleanor

Re: Yvonne Martin - how much information did she really uncover?
« Reply #585 on: June 27, 2020, 03:03:47 PM »
She wanted to talk to Kate on her own where no-one could be eavesdropping.

From memory she based her belief that a stranger abduction was unlikely based on 25 years experience of child social work, including missing children scenarios. Apologies if I've remembered that wrong.

It was none of her business.

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Yvonne Martin - how much information did she really uncover?
« Reply #586 on: June 27, 2020, 03:14:32 PM »
It was none of her business.

Come on!!! You can't go off the scale with a publicity drive which ensures this is reported as a possible break in and  abduction at 7am the next morning on Sky News - and then say it's no-one else's business when someone answers a call for any possible help.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Yvonne Martin - how much information did she really uncover?
« Reply #587 on: June 27, 2020, 03:27:09 PM »
Come on!!! You can't go off the scale with a publicity drive which ensures this is reported as a possible break in and  abduction at 7am the next morning on Sky News - and then say it's no-one else's business when someone answers a call for any possible help.

I don't think they were asking people to come and question Kate McCann, were they?

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Yvonne Martin - how much information did she really uncover?
« Reply #588 on: June 27, 2020, 03:36:05 PM »
I don't think they were asking people to come and question Kate McCann, were they?

That's not the point. They went off the scale public!! And they must have been a bit naive since any missing child inquiry starts with the parents and close family. Stranger abduction is incredibly rare. Anyone with training in paediatric social work will want to talk to a parent.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Yvonne Martin - how much information did she really uncover?
« Reply #589 on: June 27, 2020, 03:44:20 PM »
That's not the point. They went off the scale public!! And they must have been a bit naive since any missing child inquiry starts with the parents and close family. Stranger abduction is incredibly rare. Anyone with training in paediatric social work will want to talk to a parent.

Anyone in paediatric social work doesn't have the right.

Offline Brietta

Re: Yvonne Martin - how much information did she really uncover?
« Reply #590 on: June 27, 2020, 03:56:59 PM »

Really? So early in the proceedings ?

REALLY??  We have been here so often it is tiresome.

Bereaved derives from ...
Old English berēafian (see be-, reave). The original sense was ‘deprive of’ in general.

It retains that connotation depending on context in which it is used ... for example ... deprive~rob~divest~grieving~sorrowful~lamenting~deprived.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline jassi

Re: Yvonne Martin - how much information did she really uncover?
« Reply #591 on: June 27, 2020, 04:06:49 PM »
REALLY??  We have been here so often it is tiresome.

Bereaved derives from ...
Old English berēafian (see be-, reave). The original sense was ‘deprive of’ in general.

It retains that connotation depending on context in which it is used ... for example ... deprive~rob~divest~grieving~sorrowful~lamenting~deprived.

Maybe in Humpty Dumpty land, but -- https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/bereaved

A bereaved person is one who has a relative or close friend who has recently died.

I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline The General

Re: Yvonne Martin - how much information did she really uncover?
« Reply #592 on: June 27, 2020, 04:18:29 PM »
Maybe in Humpty Dumpty land, but -- https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/bereaved

A bereaved person is one who has a relative or close friend who has recently died.
Freudian slip, I'm afraid.
Subject Matter Expert - Hobos.

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Yvonne Martin - how much information did she really uncover?
« Reply #593 on: June 27, 2020, 04:29:10 PM »
Anyone in paediatric social work doesn't have the right.

Anyone has the right to offer assistance in a personal capacity. Equally the parents have a right to decline such an offer.

Offline Brietta

Re: Yvonne Martin - how much information did she really uncover?
« Reply #594 on: June 27, 2020, 04:35:57 PM »
What protocols are they exactly? Do you think they include "The police forces of all European countries should guard those waiting to be interviewed by the police in case anyone tries to speak to them."

A few people spoke to the McCanns that morning; Steve Carpenter, the lady from block 6 and Robert Murat, for example. Should they all have been shooed away?

In answer to your query - yes, they should have been 'shooed' away and all approaches made via the police if necessary.

Did Steve Carpenter, the lady from block 6 and Robert Murat use invasive interrogation?
Did they add to the stress and trauma already being suffered?
Steve was known to Kate and Gerry. 
He introduced them to Murat who had offered his assistance which was to come back and haunt him.
Murat translated a description of Madeleine for the GNR on their request so his presence at least proved useful but the approach should have been made via the police and not directly.


In response to your first sentence ... common courtesy should dictate victims of crime should not be left to their own devices to be accessible to any passing stranger ... and normal police procedure should ensure their security which was obviously lacking that morning in Luz.

If you want to look for a protocol which says different ... be my guest.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Yvonne Martin - how much information did she really uncover?
« Reply #595 on: June 27, 2020, 04:36:36 PM »
Anyone has the right to offer assistance in a personal capacity. Equally the parents have a right to decline such an offer.

Then why all the fuss about her being told to clear off

Offline Eleanor

Re: Yvonne Martin - how much information did she really uncover?
« Reply #596 on: June 27, 2020, 04:42:54 PM »
Anyone has the right to offer assistance in a personal capacity. Equally the parents have a right to decline such an offer.

Which Kate McCann did.  isn't that what this Thread is all about?

Offline Brietta

Re: Yvonne Martin - how much information did she really uncover?
« Reply #597 on: June 27, 2020, 04:50:29 PM »
Anyone has the right to offer assistance in a personal capacity. Equally the parents have a right to decline such an offer.

             That sums it up in a nutshell.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Yvonne Martin - how much information did she really uncover?
« Reply #598 on: June 27, 2020, 05:28:09 PM »
Then why all the fuss about her being told to clear off
It's hard to say she made a fuss. She just said the actions of the third man (presumably David Payne) "seemed strange".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Yvonne Martin - how much information did she really uncover?
« Reply #599 on: June 27, 2020, 05:42:56 PM »
Sorty but didn’t YM imply that DP was a paedophile that she had encountered before?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".