Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence

[G-Unit]

sending a child to school is not  a legal requirement...just being picky

Well, they can be educated at home if someone really wants to take on that responsibility. They must be educated by law, which for most children involves attending school.

[Mr Gray]

Well, they can be educated at home if someone really wants to take on that responsibility. They must be educated by law, which for most children involves attending school.

just pointing out your mistake

[Alice Purjorick]

I've just read some of this thread,

So what is the evidence for abduction?
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=4142.0

The evidence appears to be the fact that Maddie is missing & 'not suspects'.

I noticed some posts by ferryman in there, whatever happened to him?

He was given the bums rush for refusing to obey orders about libeling folk I believe.

[Mr Gray]

He was given the bums rush for refusing to obey orders about libeling folk I believe.

yes posters need to take care who they libel.

[G-Unit]

it means these alerts have no relaibility as evidence....what do you think it means

Can you explain what the rest of the sentence means? Is the word 'unless' significant, do you think?

"unless they can be confirmed with corroborating evidence."

[Mr Gray]

Can you explain what the rest of the sentence means? Is the word 'unless' significant, do you think?

"unless they can be confirmed with corroborating evidence."

its clear...he also said this..

Forensic confirmation and specialized investigation methods will determine the reasons and the suspicions. In order to undoubtedly affirm there must be a confirmation of the alert signals made by the dog.

thats forensic confirmation

[kizzy]

That's like blaming US parents for sending their children to school knowing full well they could be shot by a deranged gunman. The risk is high - 17 school shootings in the first 45 days of 2018.

The mccanns left there children in an unlocked room,.

totally out of order comparing it with what you have.

Those parents would be victims, of tragic events.

The mccanns left there children, to go to a tapas - ,leaving maddie to face a tragic event

The true victim, in all this.

[Mr Gray]

The mccanns left there children in an unlocked room,.

totally out of order comparing it with what you have.

Those parents would be victims, of tragic events.

The mccanns left there children, to go to a tapas - ,leaving maddie to face a tragic event

The true victim, in all this.

If Maddie was abducted as i believe she was...then Maddie and all her family are victims...show some compassion

[John]

that isnt what the portugues police...who had all the information concluded in their final report....they said that was highly unlikely

Seems they don't have much faith in their own sniffer dogs then.

[G-Unit]

its clear...he also said this..

Forensic confirmation and specialized investigation methods will determine the reasons and the suspicions. In order to undoubtedly affirm there must be a confirmation of the alert signals made by the dog.

thats forensic confirmation

So you agree that the use of the word 'unless' means that when there is corroborating evidence the alerts do have evidential or intelligence reliability.
 
no evidential or intelligence reliability can be made from these alerts unless they can be confirmed with
corroborating evidence.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

I do wish you would provide cites.

You seem to have concentrated on 'forensic confirmation' and ignored 'specialized investigation methods'. What do you think they are?

[Robittybob1]

So you agree that the use of the word 'unless' means that when there is corroborating evidence the alerts do have evidential or intelligence reliability.
 
no evidential or intelligence reliability can be made from these alerts unless they can be confirmed with
corroborating evidence.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

I do wish you would provide cites.

You seem to have concentrated on 'forensic confirmation' and ignored 'specialized investigation methods'. What do you think they are?

"We have our methods of extracting the truth out of you" - 'specialized investigation methods' something like trickery will do it.

[Mr Gray]

So you agree that the use of the word 'unless' means that when there is corroborating evidence the alerts do have evidential or intelligence reliability.
 
no evidential or intelligence reliability can be made from these alerts unless they can be confirmed with
corroborating evidence.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

I do wish you would provide cites.

You seem to have concentrated on 'forensic confirmation' and ignored 'specialized investigation methods'. What do you think they are?

It's your turn.. What do you think they are..grime also says this..

. The signals of an alert are only just that. Once the alert has been given by the dog, it is up to the investigator/forensic scientist to locate, identify and scientifically provide the evidence of DNA, etc.

[G-Unit]

It's your turn.. What do you think they are..grime also says this..

. The signals of an alert are only just that. Once the alert has been given by the dog, it is up to the investigator/forensic scientist to locate, identify and scientifically provide the evidence of DNA, etc.

In my opinion the best way for someone to learn is to do the research themselves. I could tell you and you would continue to ignore the things that were said which don't suit your opinion.

Please provide cites for your quotes.

[Mr Gray]

In my opinion the best way for someone to learn is to do the research themselves. I could tell you and you would continue to ignore the things that were said which don't suit your opinion.

Please provide cites for your quotes.

have you not seen them before ..grimes interview...grimes rogatory. you think you could tell me...I think you cannot...so it is simply your opinion. You and others are ignoring GRimes and Harrisons reservations on the alerts because they do not suit your opinion

[Mr Gray]

from Grimes rogatory...

'Based upon your experience with the dogs, can you specify whether the positive signals given by them have always matched the scientific results''
I cannot. In this case, for example, not all the alert signals have been investigated by the appropriate agencies in order to provide forensic comparations, in spite of indications to the contrary. It also should be taken into account that the procedures for forensic testing are still less discriminating than the system of dogs' smell.
During training, the dogs are barely rewarded for positive alert signals regarding targets of known substances.

again grime talks about forensic corroboration