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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #165 on: March 05, 2018, 06:35:13 PM »
You can infer what you want... But the experts don't agree with you

I don't need them to.
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Offline Carana

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #166 on: March 05, 2018, 06:36:41 PM »
I don't see that is a fact and I don't see on what basis you make that claim as certain

It can be taken as a fact that Eddie did alert, can't it? However, what to is less than limpid...

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #167 on: March 05, 2018, 06:40:19 PM »
It can be taken as a fact that Eddie did alert, can't it? However, what to is less than limpid...

Of course it can.

A cadaver dog alerted, so it did, it really did happen, that is a fact.

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #168 on: March 05, 2018, 06:41:01 PM »
It can be taken as a fact that Eddie did alert, can't it? However, what to is less than limpid...
Initially he didn't.... Until being repeatedly called back... That sounds most unconvincing....

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #169 on: March 05, 2018, 06:55:48 PM »
Which substances was he referring to when he mentioned that he was alerting to those within his "training parameters". No one seems to have questioned that...

What exactly was included or excluded from those "training parameters"?

I thought we'd done dog threads to death... and I'm not sure what there could be to say that hasn't been raised on literally dozens of threads before now.

We have but try:
"Were it North Korea we would all be having a barbecue by now; Airedale leg with kimchi anyone"?

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Offline Carana

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #170 on: March 05, 2018, 07:02:00 PM »
We have but try:
"Were it North Korea we would all be having a barbecue by now; Airedale leg with kimchi anyone"?

I think I might pass on that invitation today, but thanks all the same, Alice... lol

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #171 on: March 05, 2018, 07:07:04 PM »
Initially he didn't.... Until being repeatedly called back... That sounds most unconvincing....

You appear to be inferring something from the alerts. I thought we weren't supposed to do that.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #172 on: March 05, 2018, 07:11:39 PM »
You appear to be inferring something from the alerts. I thought we weren't supposed to do that.

I'm not inferring anything... You ate using the alerts as evidence to support your belief in the McCann's guilt but the experts are clear they have no evidential  value... So you prove my point

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #173 on: March 05, 2018, 07:13:40 PM »
I'm not inferring anything... You ate using the alerts as evidence to support your belief in the McCann's guilt but the experts are clear they have no evidential  value... So you prove my point

No, I'm using the fact a dog alerted.

I can't just ignore that fact, I'm not the police.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #174 on: March 05, 2018, 07:18:17 PM »
No, I'm using the fact a dog alerted.

I can't just ignore that fact, I'm not the police.

You are, using the alert as, evidence... It isn't... That's, what you don't understand

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #175 on: March 05, 2018, 07:19:53 PM »
You are, using the alert as, evidence... It isn't... That's, what you don't understand

It's not evidence, it's an indication.

I don't ignore indicators when I'm driving, & I'm not about to start.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #176 on: March 05, 2018, 07:21:15 PM »
It's not evidence, it's an indication.

I don't ignore indicators when I'm driving, & I'm not about to start.
You confirm you don't understand  the, evidence

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #177 on: March 05, 2018, 07:21:59 PM »
You confirm you don't understand  the, evidence

What evidence?

I'm often informed there isn't any.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #178 on: March 05, 2018, 09:12:40 PM »
You confirm you don't understand  the, evidence
Now you got us all confused.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #179 on: March 05, 2018, 09:42:19 PM »
I'm singling out sceptics who mistakenly think inferences can be drawn  from the, alerts... According to expert ..opinion.. They cannot
We've had posters here claim they are circumstantial  evidence... They are not IMO

Would you be willing to share your view on the alerts... I somehow doubt it

I find the idea of evidence interesting. As I understand it evidence comes in many forms. According to Wikipedia there is;

Digital evidence
Personal experience
Scientific evidence
Testimonial
Physical evidence
Trace evidence
Relationship evidence

There is strong evidence and weak evidence. Strong evidence can prove an assertion, weak evident can support it but doesn't prove it.

I think that alerts could be used as part of body of circumstantial evidence as they were in the Prout case.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence#Types_of_evidence
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