A Simple Question.

[ShiningInLuz]

DNA tests on samples taken from the car proved inconclusive, but the Portuguese police wrongly told journalists they were a “100 per cent match” for Madeleine.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/madeleine-mccann-latest-are-police-any-closer-to-knowing-the-tru/

That article is replete with errors.

Is there a better source?

[Carana]

is there a quote from anyone in the PJ saying there was a 100% match to Madeleine's DNA yet?

Not directly, at the time, that I can remember.

In GA's frozen cadaver exclusive interview, IMO, that reads to me as if he's stating as fact that her "residues" were definitely in the boot, and it would have required a full match to come to that "we policement, experts" opinion.

Correio da Manha - What do you think happened to the body?

Gonçalo Amaral “Everything indicated that the body, after having been at a certain location, was moved into another location by car, twenty something days later. With the residues that were found inside the car, the little girl had to have been transported inside it.

Due to the type of fluid, we policemen, experts, say that the cadaver was frozen or preserved in the cold and when placed into the car boot, with the heat at that time [of the year], part of the ice melted. On a curb, for example, something fell from the trunk's right side, above the wheel. It may be said that this is speculation, but it's the only way to explain what happened there.

CdM 24 July 2008

[Vertigo Swirl]

Not directly, at the time, that I can remember.

In GA's frozen cadaver exclusive interview, IMO, that reads to me as if he's stating as fact that her "residues" were definitely in the boot, and it would have required a full match to come to that "we policement, experts" opinion.

Correio da Manha - What do you think happened to the body?

Gonçalo Amaral “Everything indicated that the body, after having been at a certain location, was moved into another location by car, twenty something days later. With the residues that were found inside the car, the little girl had to have been transported inside it.

Due to the type of fluid, we policemen, experts, say that the cadaver was frozen or preserved in the cold and when placed into the car boot, with the heat at that time [of the year], part of the ice melted. On a curb, for example, something fell from the trunk's right side, above the wheel. It may be said that this is speculation, but it's the only way to explain what happened there.

CdM 24 July 2008

Astounding!  IMO.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Everyone claimed to have inside information, but they clearly didn't.

The tiny traces of blood - invisible to the naked eye - were found at a low height on the wall in the bedroom of the McCann holiday apartment at the Ocean Club.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/4aug7/TELEGRAPH2_06_08_2007.htm

TRACES of Madeleine McCann's blood have been discovered in the bedroom of the holiday flat where she was last seen, according to reports in a Portuguese newspaper.

It was also reported that attempts had been made to wipe away any sign of the blood.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/4aug7/SCOTSMAN_06_08_2007.htm


Intercepted telephone calls and emails between the McCanns and their friends have "confirmed the death of Madeleine" say police, according to one Portuguese newspaper today.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/4aug7/FIRSTPOST_08_08_2007.htm

Aerobics instructor Najoua Chekaya was chatting with Gerry and Kate McCann and their friends when Madeleine, then three, vanished from the family's Algarve apartment in Praia da Luz.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Aerobics_instructor.htm

OLICE hunting for missing Madeleine McCann discovered a syringe in her parents’ bedroom, it was dramatically claimed last night
In the latest slur against Kate and Gerry McCann, the hypodermic needle was allegedly found in a cupboard at the apartment where their daughter vanished.

According to reports in the Portuguese press, police are examining the theory that the needle could have been used by Madeleine's parents -both doctors - to administer sedatives to their children to help them sleep.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/4aug7/express-30-08-07.htm

What is the point of this post?  The PJ have admitted leaking to the press, do you dispute this?

[Robittybob1]

Astounding!  IMO.

Doesn't mean GA was wrong.

[Robittybob1]

Everyone claimed to have inside information, but they clearly didn't.

The tiny traces of blood - invisible to the naked eye - were found at a low height on the wall in the bedroom of the McCann holiday apartment at the Ocean Club.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/4aug7/TELEGRAPH2_06_08_2007.htm

TRACES of Madeleine McCann's blood have been discovered in the bedroom of the holiday flat where she was last seen, according to reports in a Portuguese newspaper.

It was also reported that attempts had been made to wipe away any sign of the blood.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/4aug7/SCOTSMAN_06_08_2007.htm


Intercepted telephone calls and emails between the McCanns and their friends have "confirmed the death of Madeleine" say police, according to one Portuguese newspaper today.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/4aug7/FIRSTPOST_08_08_2007.htm

Aerobics instructor Najoua Chekaya was chatting with Gerry and Kate McCann and their friends when Madeleine, then three, vanished from the family's Algarve apartment in Praia da Luz.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Aerobics_instructor.htm

OLICE hunting for missing Madeleine McCann discovered a syringe in her parents’ bedroom, it was dramatically claimed last night
In the latest slur against Kate and Gerry McCann, the hypodermic needle was allegedly found in a cupboard at the apartment where their daughter vanished.

According to reports in the Portuguese press, police are examining the theory that the needle could have been used by Madeleine's parents -both doctors - to administer sedatives to their children to help them sleep.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/4aug7/express-30-08-07.htm

I have a feeling that each one of these leaks were explained in another way in the end.  How many of them were proven true factually in the end?

[John]

What is the point of this post?  The PJ have admitted leaking to the press, do you dispute this?

A PJ official might well have admitted to leaking some information to the press which in reality is what the police do regularly just about everywhere.  It's a big leap however from this to claiming that their reason for doing so was to incriminate someone.

The convention on this forum for some time now is to mark opinion with the words "in my opinion" or the abbreviation "imo".  New members may not necessarily be aware of this thus why I am making you aware.

[G-Unit]

What is the point of this post?  The PJ have admitted leaking to the press, do you dispute this?

Some of the leaks, not all. The stories I have linked to were all completely untrue. I expect some conspiracy theorists think that was part of some evil plan hatched by the PJ, but in my opinion that doesn't make sense. My opinion is that a lot of the stories quoting 'police sources' said that just to add credence to their nonsense. 

[Vertigo Swirl]

Some of the leaks, not all. The stories I have linked to were all completely untrue. I expect some conspiracy theorists think that was part of some evil plan hatched by the PJ, but in my opinion that doesn't make sense. My opinion is that a lot of the stories quoting 'police sources' said that just to add credence to their nonsense.

IMO. It may not make sense to you but you have no way of knowing whether or not the police were, on top of leaking genuine information to the press, also feeding them a load of misinformation, either out of malice, greed, xenophobia, revenge, a desire to break down their chief suspects,who knows.  Plenty of motives when you think about it.
ETA: lying to their suspects in the interview room is a well known police tactic, so why not anonymously via the media? IMO

[Angelo222]

DNA tests on samples taken from the car proved inconclusive, but the Portuguese police wrongly told journalists they were a “100 per cent match” for Madeleine.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/madeleine-mccann-latest-are-police-any-closer-to-knowing-the-tru/

The police didn't do the DNA analyses, that effort was undertaken by the discredited Forensic Science Service in England.  We know that they were telling the Portuguese one thing but failing to later back it up.

[Brietta]

The police didn't do the DNA analyses, that effort was undertaken by the discredited Forensic Science Service in England.  We know that they were telling the Portuguese one thing but failing to later back it up.

Perhaps the mistake was that the Forensic Science Service communicated directly with the Portuguese police and not via the intermediary of the Portuguese scientific experts who would have had a clear understanding of the forensic information being relayed to them.

[Carana]

Doesn't mean GA was wrong.

Someone could say she'd been taken by aliens, with the usual "prove me wrong".

What "residues" were found?

[Carana]

Some of the leaks, not all. The stories I have linked to were all completely untrue. I expect some conspiracy theorists think that was part of some evil plan hatched by the PJ, but in my opinion that doesn't make sense. My opinion is that a lot of the stories quoting 'police sources' said that just to add credence to their nonsense.

Hmm. Actually, some are based on half-truths (IMO). I've found the probable origin (IMO) for quite a few of them. One or two others are totally invented details within a broader half-truth or even true context.

It would take me a while to dig it all out again, though.

[byron]

Leveson inquiry: ex-police chief defends not preventing false McCann DNA reports
Matthew Baggott says it was correct 'not to put the record straight' over false reports about Madeleine McCann case




The UK police were right not to "put the record straight" over false reports claiming Gerry and Kate McCann were implicated in their daughter's disappearance, the Leveson inquiry has heard.

Matthew Baggott, the former chief constable of Leicestershire police, told the inquiry on Wednesday he could not have released information about DNA tests conducted in the UK to counter leaks by the Portuguese police that falsely claimed they showed the McCanns had hidden Madeleine in the boot of a hire car in Portugal.

Baggott said there were both legal and professional reasons for this. Portuguese secrecy laws made it "utterly wrong to have somehow, in an off-the-record way, have breached what was a very clear legal requirement upon the Portuguese themselves", he told Lord Justice Leveson.


Last November the Leveson inquiry heard how the Daily Express reported there was DNA evidence that could show the little girl's body had been stored in the spare tyre well of a hire car.He also said the Leicestershire force's priority was to maintain a positive relationship with the Portuguese police, with a view to "eventually ... resolving what happened to that poor child".

It turned out the analysis conducted in the UK was "inconclusive" and there was no foundation for making that allegation. Express Newspapers paid £550,000 damages to the McCann's in 2008 for inaccurate reporting by the Daily Express and the publisher's three other titles.

Leveson asked Baggot about evidence submitted by a Daily Star crime reporter two weeks ago that the Leicestershire police "knew perfectly well that the results didn't demonstrate that", and could have given off-the-record briefings to British journalists not to report a DNA link.

"Even with the benefit of hindsight, sir, I'm still convinced we did the right thing and I think integrity and confidence, particularly with the Portuguese, featured very highly in our decision-making at that time," said Baggott.

He added: "So the relationship of trust and confidence would have been undermined if we had gone off the record in some way or tried to put the record straight, contrary to the way in which the Portuguese law was configured and their own leadership of that."

When they appeared before Leveson late last year, Gerry and Kate McCanntold how they were left distraught by false claims in the UK press that they were responsible for their daughter's disappearance or her death.

Leveson later accused the Daily Express of writing "complete piffle" and "tittle tattle" about Madeleine McCann.



https://www.theguardian.com/media/2012/mar/28/leveson-madeleine-mccann-dna-police

[Mr Gray]

This is what matters.
Rowley:
We don't have evidence telling us if Madeleine is alive or dead.

That is what's important