Were the staff at the Batista Supermarket interviewed?

[Robittybob1]

other references to Baptista Supermarket
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BAREND_WEIJDOM.htm

"He heard about the news being investigated on the evening of 3rd May at about 21.30 - 21.40 from P**** B******, a Dutchman and owner of the Atlantico restaurant, who passed by the witness near the Baptista supermarket, in P da L and who asked for his help in searching for Madeleine.

He then went to the place where the events occurred which was at about 21.45 - 21.50. At this time various local people and MW staff were present.

When questioned he said that the police wasn’t there yet but arrived about 5 minutes later."

Is his timing out by an hour or were there really police at OC before 10:00 PM?

[Robittybob1]

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SILVIA_BATISTA.htm

Silvia Batista mentioned the Baptista supermarket.
"Silvia Batista translated the deposition from one of the ladies that belonged to the group of English people, namely one that she indicates as being a brunette. This lady told the GNR officers, and Silvia Batista translated, that she had seen a man crossing the road, possibly carrying a child. Silvia Batista found that situation strange because she was convinced that when she saw this man, the lady was positioned in a spot that has no viewing angle to the location where she had seen the man. She doesn’t know exactly where the lady was positioned when she saw the man passing by, but she knows that she indicated that she saw him passing on the street that lies in front of the window to the bedroom where Madeleine was, walking into the direction of the street that leads to the Baptista supermarket."

What does "walking in the direction of the street that then leads to the Baptista supermarket" mean on a good day?

[Robittybob1]

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=4458.msg161442#msg161442

[Robittybob1]

"At the Baptista supermarket in the centre of the resort, close to where the abduction happened, music was turned off, cash registers stopped and a tannoy announced the silence to staff and customers."  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1552223/Portugal-falls-silent-for-minute-of-hope.html

[Robittybob1]

This could be the lead I was looking for: 
"Robert Murat 'seen talking to man matching artist's impression of Madeleine suspect '" https://www.standard.co.uk/news/robert-murat-seen-talking-to-man-matching-artists-impression-of-madeleine-suspect-7300893.html

"Charlotte Pennington has claimed she saw Murat chatting to the man in the sketch" 

Now I'm being stretched!

Going on:
"Robert Murat was spotted chatting to a man who resembled the 'oddball' in the new sketch released by the McCanns and who is suspected of abducting Madeleine, it has been claimed today.

Charlotte Pennington, a nanny at the Ocean Club holiday complex where the McCanns were staying, told police last May she saw Murat chatting to "a man aged around 27 to 35, average height, very dark eyes and of Portuguese or Spanish appearance".

She told detectives she saw expat Murat, who lives with his mother near to holiday complex, talking to the man outside the Baptista supermarket in Praia da Luz."

Was that before the event on the 3rd?  What day? No one says.

[Robittybob1]

References to Baptista Supermarket in kate's book.
"However, there are two references to the McCanns visiting the Baptista supermarket in Dr Kate McCann's book, 'madeleine', which may be of interest here.

The first one was on the SUNDAY and refers to a trip allegedly made sometime in the morning (pages 51-52):

"Gerry had made a trip to Baptista, a supermarket a short distance from the Ocean Club on Rue Dr Gentil Martins, to get in a few bits and pieces for lunch, plus some cereal, to save us making the trek to the Millennium restaurant for breakfast each morning".

[NOTE: For whatever reason, the McCanns decided to have breakfast in their own room from Monday morning onwards].

Then on pages 56-57, we get this account of a trip by Gerry & Kate to the Baptista supermarket 'on the evening of Monday 30 April':

"On the evening of Monday, 30 April, I made my first foray to Baptista with Jane. We wanted to stock up on a few essentials as the next day was a pubic holiday. We all managed to make it for dinner at the Tapas restaurant that evening. Again, there was quite a cold wind..."
https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t10497p300-another-look-at-the-last-photo

It is interesting that the second time the two go together was Gerry with them or not? I don't recall Jane saying she went with Kate.

[Robittybob1]

Another article to test your imagination:

"Yesterday it was reported in Portugal that a new witness, an unnamed Irishman, told police he was in the same spot as Miss Tanner at the same time and saw no one. He is the second independent witness to dispute her story and police sources said they viewed Miss Tanner’s evidence as “unreliable” because of inconsistencies. Officers are concerned that she apparently changed her version of the sighting.She originally claimed she saw the suspect rushing towards the Baptista supermarket in Praia da Luz. She told police the child was wrapped in a blanket. A second independent witness reported seeing a similar man with a child in a blanket near the town’s church heading towards the beach. The route he took matches the alleged trail of death discovered by British sniffer dogs who detected the scent of a corpse. But Miss Tanner has now told detectives that the man was heading in a different direction – towards Murat’s home. Police regard her account as one of a series given by the McCanns and their friends to convince them that Madeleine had been kidnapped."
http://gasparstatements.blogspot.co.nz/2010/03/?m=0

If that didn't nearly match what the PJ say that Silvia said it might be dismissed as a work of fiction.  It is really funny how "Irish men" turn up at the most convenient times!

[Brietta]

Another article to test your imagination:

"Yesterday it was reported in Portugal that   ----------------------------------------


If that didn't nearly match what the PJ say that Silvia said it might be dismissed as a work of fiction.  It is really funny how "Irish men" turn up at the most convenient times!

All that is missing from that nonsense is the Irish teenager having a fly smoke in some corner while contradicting Jane Tanner's evidence.

Please get real on this Robitty and stop quoting lies and fantasies from suspect blogs;  for some reason it was found to be incredibly important in certain circles to discredit Jane Tanner, maybe it would be worth wondering why that was, rather than giving disreputable musings the oxygen of publicity on a reputable forum.

I really think you should delete that post and the downright lies it contains.

[misty]

All that is missing from that nonsense is the Irish teenager having a fly smoke in some corner while contradicting Jane Tanner's evidence.

Please get real on this Robitty and stop quoting lies and fantasies from suspect blogs;  for some reason it was found to be incredibly important in certain circles to discredit Jane Tanner, maybe it would be worth wondering why that was, rather than giving disreputable musings the oxygen of publicity on a reputable forum.

I really think you should delete that post and the downright lies it contains.

The quote came from a genuine Daily Express article, since removed.

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/the-deleted-daily-express-articles-in-chronologica-t247-s140.html
Mon 24th Sept 2007 - The McCanns are lying,

[Robittybob1]

All that is missing from that nonsense is the Irish teenager having a fly smoke in some corner while contradicting Jane Tanner's evidence.

Please get real on this Robitty and stop quoting lies and fantasies from suspect blogs;  for some reason it was found to be incredibly important in certain circles to discredit Jane Tanner, maybe it would be worth wondering why that was, rather than giving disreputable musings the oxygen of publicity on a reputable forum.

I really think you should delete that post and the downright lies it contains.

If the Irish man is Crecheman, and  Silvia thinks Jane tells GNR (via Silvia) that Tannerman is heading toward the supermarket (as per her statement), and accept that the PJ totally reject Jane Tanner's statement of the 4th, we already accept Smithman, and we accept that the sniffer dogs went towards the supermarket there aren't actual lies in there but confusion.

I'm just wondering why the PJ never actually interviewed anyone from the supermarket.  OK the supermarket would have been closed at the time so what were the employees and owners doing at that time of night?

[Robittybob1]

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SILVIA_BATISTA.htm

Silvia Batista mentioned the Baptista supermarket.
"Silvia Batista translated the deposition from one of the ladies that belonged to the group of English people, namely one that she indicates as being a brunette. This lady told the GNR officers, and Silvia Batista translated, that she had seen a man crossing the road, possibly carrying a child. Silvia Batista found that situation strange because she was convinced that when she saw this man, the lady was positioned in a spot that has no viewing angle to the location where she had seen the man. She doesn’t know exactly where the lady was positioned when she saw the man passing by, but she knows that she indicated that she saw him passing on the street that lies in front of the window to the bedroom where Madeleine was, walking into the direction of the street that leads to the Baptista supermarket."

What does "walking in the direction of the street that then leads to the Baptista supermarket" mean on a good day?

As I have said I wonder why the GNR didn't take a little walk with Jane and sort this issue out on the night.  Jane  recounts that 3 days later a PJ officer does this very thing with her but unfortunately we don't have any records of that.  Looking at her 4th May statement it becomes pretty clear that Silvia totally misunderstood Jane on the night of the 3rd.

She drew a diagram clearly showing the movements. 

[Carana]

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SILVIA_BATISTA.htm

Silvia Batista mentioned the Baptista supermarket.
"Silvia Batista translated the deposition from one of the ladies that belonged to the group of English people, namely one that she indicates as being a brunette. This lady told the GNR officers, and Silvia Batista translated, that she had seen a man crossing the road, possibly carrying a child. Silvia Batista found that situation strange because she was convinced that when she saw this man, the lady was positioned in a spot that has no viewing angle to the location where she had seen the man. She doesn’t know exactly where the lady was positioned when she saw the man passing by, but she knows that she indicated that she saw him passing on the street that lies in front of the window to the bedroom where Madeleine was, walking into the direction of the street that leads to the Baptista supermarket."

What does "walking in the direction of the street that then leads to the Baptista supermarket" mean on a good day?

There's a T-junction. JT was walking up the Martins one (that - in the other direction leads down to Baptista) and she saw him as he crossed the top of the da Silva one, i.e., at the intersection.

I don't quite see what she found odd, unless for some reason she thought that JT meant that she'd actually seen him as he passed the bedroom window as opposed to it being an explanation of the direction he appeared to have come from.

[Carana]

Another article to test your imagination:

"Yesterday it was reported in Portugal that a new witness, an unnamed Irishman, told police he was in the same spot as Miss Tanner at the same time and saw no one. He is the second independent witness to dispute her story and police sources said they viewed Miss Tanner’s evidence as “unreliable” because of inconsistencies. Officers are concerned that she apparently changed her version of the sighting.She originally claimed she saw the suspect rushing towards the Baptista supermarket in Praia da Luz. She told police the child was wrapped in a blanket. A second independent witness reported seeing a similar man with a child in a blanket near the town’s church heading towards the beach. The route he took matches the alleged trail of death discovered by British sniffer dogs who detected the scent of a corpse. But Miss Tanner has now told detectives that the man was heading in a different direction – towards Murat’s home. Police regard her account as one of a series given by the McCanns and their friends to convince them that Madeleine had been kidnapped."
http://gasparstatements.blogspot.co.nz/2010/03/?m=0

If that didn't nearly match what the PJ say that Silvia said it might be dismissed as a work of fiction.  It is really funny how "Irish men" turn up at the most convenient times!

There should be a competition as to the number of garbled half-truths that can be crammed into the fewest lines...

[G-Unit]

As I have said I wonder why the GNR didn't take a little walk with Jane and sort this issue out on the night.  Jane  recounts that 3 days later a PJ officer does this very thing with her but unfortunately we don't have any records of that.  Looking at her 4th May statement it becomes pretty clear that Silvia totally misunderstood Jane on the night of the 3rd.

She drew a diagram clearly showing the movements. 

Jane Tanner did indeed draw a diagram. It shows Gerry and Jez chatting north of the passageway between the Tapas complex and the apartments. She later changed that location. If she changed that detail, why not others?

[Carana]

Is this irrelevant? 
"All members of the group did their shopping at the only supermarket near the complex, the "Batista."
she not being concerned however about it. There are several till-points, more or less five. Twice she went to shop having always been attended at the till by ladies.  rogatory Rachael Mariamma Jean Mampilly Oldfield

In that I see the possibility of concern.
There is the concept of concern about the possibility of being served in the supermarket by a male checkout operator.
But she also got the spelling wrong and the PJ and the translators allowed the spelling to be entered wrongly into the file.

Don't forget that the initial statements are answers to (unnoted) questions, except right at the end when they were generally asked if they had anything to add. It may well have been the PJ officer who was interested in the matter.

What do you mean, she got the spelling wrong? Lol. Unless she was asked to spell it for some reason, the officer simply wrote the name as it sounds.