Author Topic: According to some, there is certainly circumstantial evidence of abduction.  (Read 134028 times)

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Offline Angelo222

What I still don't understand is why SY are still blindly following this abducted from her bedroom mantra when the actual evidence says something else. Is this simply a ploy?
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Offline Mr Gray

What I still don't understand is why SY are still blindly following this abducted from her bedroom mantra when the actual evidence says something else. Is this simply a ploy?
because IMO the evidence doesnt say something else it says abduction...quite simple really...its been what I have been saying for years...and it seems SY agree
« Last Edit: April 21, 2018, 10:18:59 PM by slartibartfast »

Offline slartibartfast

because IMO the evidence doesnt say something else it says abduction...quite simple really...its been what I have been saying for years...and it seems SY agree

As per the topic, we haven’t seen any evidence brought forward here.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Mr Gray

As per the topic, we haven’t seen any evidence brought forward here.

In your opinion

Offline sadie

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Rob, it has taken many hours and I have given a 12 post+ direct answer to your topic which is named  * There is certainly circumstantial evidence of abduction *

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9278.msg457457#msg457457

I finished posting way after 3am ... but started whilst Gunit and others were on forum.  It seems that Gunit was determined to get in first and started popsting at 7.03 am 
Within minutes she had replied to each post, cursorily dismissing everything .........

....And effectively, with the help of a few others hidden it all from virtually everyone, because no-one bothers to look back very far.  A couple of pages back and it is dead.

HIDDEN FROM PLAIN SIGHT EFFECTIVELY

It is your thread and along with others, I dont think that you have seen my posts about "Circumstantial evidence of abduction", which I have never claimed as proof, but I do claim as pointers/likely possibilities.

In order to help find the 12/13 posts with a similar number of pointers, I have now changed the print colour to teal from black.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9278.msg457457#msg457457


I know that you do not support the idea of abduction, but I can only guess why.
Your opinion would be appreciated, please

Offline Angelo222

because IMO the evidence doesnt say something else it says abduction...quite simple really...its been what I have been saying for years...and it seems SY agree

From the road outside possibly but not from inside the apartment.  As you say, the evidence is there for all to see.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Angelo222

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Rob, it has taken many hours and I have given a 12 post+ direct answer to your topic which is named  * There is certainly circumstantial evidence of abduction *

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9278.msg457457#msg457457

I finished posting way after 3am ... but started whilst Gunit and others were on forum.  It seems that Gunit was determined to get in first and started popsting at 7.03 am 
Within minutes she had replied to each post, cursorily dismissing everything .........

....And effectively, with the help of a few others hidden it all from virtually everyone, because no-one bothers to look back very far.  A couple of pages back and it is dead.

HIDDEN FROM PLAIN SIGHT EFFECTIVELY

It is your thread and along with others, I dont think that you have seen my posts about "Circumstantial evidence of abduction", which I have never claimed as proof, but I do claim as pointers/likely possibilities.

In order to help find the 12/13 posts with a similar number of pointers, I have now changed the print colour to teal from black.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9278.msg457457#msg457457


I know that you do not support the idea of abduction, but I can only guess why.
Your opinion would be appreciated, please

I will give you credit for those posts Sadie because you have highlighted some important points but regardless none of it is evidence of a stranger abduction' from the bedroom.  The open window and shutter and the absence of the child's fingerprints on any door is not evidence of an abduction.  How the parents reacted after the 3rd May 2007 also proves nothing really, ever heard of the double bluff?  Isolated instances of other children disappearing have no identified connection to the Maddie case.  We know Joana Cipriano was killed by her uncle in a conspiracy which included her own mother so again no relevance to the Maddie case.  And even SY have discarded Tanner's sighting as nothing more than an innocent tourist carrying his daughter back to his apartment.  As for the McCanns perceived keeness to pursue an enquiry involving SY, I would question that as to not do so would have raised more questions than provided answers.

What you have actually achieved in your 13 posts is that in reality the abduction theory hangs by a very thin thread.

« Last Edit: April 21, 2018, 11:21:52 PM by Angelo222 »
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline sadie

I will give you credit for those posts Sadie because you have highlighted some important points but regardless none of it is evidence of a stranger abduction' from the bedroom.  The open window and shutter and the absence of the child's fingerprints on any door is not evidence of an abduction.  How the parents reacted after the 3rd May 2007 also proves nothing really, ever heard of the double bluff?  Isolated instances of other children disappearing have no identified connection to the Maddie case.  We know Joana Cipriano was killed by her uncle in a conspiracy which included her own mother so again no relevance to the Maddie case.  And even SY have discarded Tanner's sighting as nothing more than an innocent tourist carrying his daughter back to his apartment.  As for the McCanns perceived keeness to pursue an enquiry involving SY, I would question that as to not do so would have raised more questions than provided answers.

What you have actually achieved in your 13 posts is that in reality the abduction theory hangs by a very thin thread.

The open window and shutter and the absence of the child's fingerprints on any door is not evidence of an abduction.  It is very strong evidence that Madeleine did not let herself out of the apartment, because she would not have worn rubber/plasticf gloves ... and WOULD definitely have left fingerprints on the door window that she left by. 
Therefore she was abducted.

Offline sadie

I will give you credit for those posts Sadie because you have highlighted some important points but regardless none of it is evidence of a stranger abduction' from the bedroom.  The open window and shutter and the absence of the child's fingerprints on any door is not evidence of an abduction. How the parents reacted after the 3rd May 2007 also proves nothing really, ever heard of the double bluff?  Isolated instances of other children disappearing have no identified connection to the Maddie case.  We know Joana Cipriano was killed by her uncle in a conspiracy which included her own mother so again no relevance to the Maddie case. And even SY have discarded Tanner's sighting as nothing more than an innocent tourist carrying his daughter back to his apartment.  As for the McCanns perceived keeness to pursue an enquiry involving SY, I would question that as to not do so would have raised more questions than provided answers.

What you have actually achieved in your 13 posts is that in reality the abduction theory hangs by a very thin thread.

How the parents reacted after the 3rd May 2007 also proves nothing really, ever heard of the double bluff?

Come on Angelo.  For both to be so destroyed by it.  Poor Kate, she looked so desperately unhappy and ill; at times she looked older than her very pretty Mum. 
To maintain  a double bluff and in front of their friends too, they would both need to be pschopaths and brilliant liars and actors too.  You are not being realistic imo

How often have you heard of a couple who were guilty actually fighting for the best Police Force in the UK to investigate ?  SY are world famous and solve most of their cases. 

OMO, but I think they have solved this one, but it is complex and involving important people globally.  It will need massive evidence and the very best lawyers to prove anything


We know Joana Cipriano was killed by her uncle in a conspiracy which included her own mother so again no relevance to the Maddie case.

You and John maintain that but there was NO REAL EVIDENCE as you well know.  Just the statement of a tortured woman, which was immediately rescinded when she was out of their grasp .... and the statement of a druggie, who if not tortured, would have been very easy to persuad using drugs as a carrot .... and a rediculous film that would not persuade the simplest of people unless already biased.

I believe that Joana Cipriano is still alive, or at least she was in 2008 ish.  Two other things, which I am not prepared to share, also convince me that she is likely to be still alive.

People are questioning whether the Courts finding was Just.  This forum should be about Justice and not about supporting Amaral willy nilly.  We KNOW that he doesn't always tell the truth from his Court trial .... and his "O Enigma" was a laugh a minute with all its incorrect statements.

Offline sadie

I will give you credit for those posts Sadie because you have highlighted some important points but regardless none of it is evidence of a stranger abduction' from the bedroom.  The open window and shutter and the absence of the child's fingerprints on any door is not evidence of an abduction.  How the parents reacted after the 3rd May 2007 also proves nothing really, ever heard of the double bluff?  Isolated instances of other children disappearing have no identified connection to the Maddie case.  We know Joana Cipriano was killed by her uncle in a conspiracy which included her own mother so again no relevance to the Maddie case.  And even SY have discarded Tanner's sighting as nothing more than an innocent tourist carrying his daughter back to his apartment.  As for the McCanns perceived keeness to pursue an enquiry involving SY, I would question that as to not do so would have raised more questions than provided answers.

What you have actually achieved in your 13 posts is that in reality the abduction theory hangs by a very thin thread.

Isolated instances of other children disappearing have no identified connection to the Maddie case.
Oh Really?   When there is a definite pattern to them of an abduction roughly every 18 months or so
....  and a pretty blond little 3 year old [Carolina Santos] attempted abducted only 4 months before Madeleine and only 25 miles away

Then the case of Joana Cipriano, a little over 2 years before that and just 7 miles away from Praia de Luz.  She was a pretty little fair haired girl.  Was there a terrible Miscarriage of Justice in her case?  Was she actually abducted?

What happened to the man in the camper van parked near her home.  The man who had been camping nearby, but suddenly vanished about the time that Joana did.
And how come that he abandoned his camper van in Praia de Luz?

[Par for the course, I notice that reports on the camper van have vanished from the internet, yet were there when i mentioned it about a year ago]

People dont normally abandon camper vans.  Who was he?  Where did he vanish to?  Where did Joana vanish to ?
I think I know the answer to the last question and maybe the previous one, but obviously I cant share.

Offline G-Unit

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Rob, it has taken many hours and I have given a 12 post+ direct answer to your topic which is named  * There is certainly circumstantial evidence of abduction *

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9278.msg457457#msg457457

I finished posting way after 3am ... but started whilst Gunit and others were on forum. It seems that Gunit was determined to get in first and started popsting at 7.03 am 
Within minutes she had replied to each post, cursorily dismissing everything .........

....And effectively, with the help of a few others hidden it all from virtually everyone, because no-one bothers to look back very far.  A couple of pages back and it is dead.

HIDDEN FROM PLAIN SIGHT EFFECTIVELY

It is your thread and along with others, I dont think that you have seen my posts about "Circumstantial evidence of abduction", which I have never claimed as proof, but I do claim as pointers/likely possibilities.

In order to help find the 12/13 posts with a similar number of pointers, I have now changed the print colour to teal from black.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9278.msg457457#msg457457


I know that you do not support the idea of abduction, but I can only guess why.
Your opinion would be appreciated, please

I get up early every morning and I post early every morning. I'm heartily sick of seeing not very veiled hints that I do things because I have some sort of hidden agenda. I would be grateful if it would cease, unless you have some evidence to offer up.

Your posts were indeed numerous, but sadly lacking in evidence. A lack of fingerprints is interesting only if the locations were examined for fingerprints, and there's no evidence that they were, apart from the patio door.

Other cases aren't relevant unless there is reason to believe they are all connected, like the method, time of day, age and sex of the child, and so on.

People allegedly watching weren't necessarily watching at all. People smoking on balconies likewise.

You have nothing which amounts to evidence which could be used to build a case for abduction, just your opinion about how people behave and what motivates them and a lot of probably unrelated rumour and gossip. I do congratulate you on your ability to weave it all into your narrative, but the connections between all these 'pointers' are not demonstrable.

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Offline G-Unit

What I still don't understand is why SY are still blindly following this abducted from her bedroom mantra when the actual evidence says something else. Is this simply a ploy?

The other mantra which I find inexplicable is the conviction that the parents are innocent of any wrongdoing. I can't count the times I've read variations on the theme that 'it's ludicrous to suggest that Kate and Gerry had anything to do with Madeleine's disappearance'. Those who have said such things have offered no concrete evidence as to why they reached that conclusion.

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Offline Mr Gray

The other mantra which I find inexplicable is the conviction that the parents are innocent of any wrongdoing. I can't count the times I've read variations on the theme that 'it's ludicrous to suggest that Kate and Gerry had anything to do with Madeleine's disappearance'. Those who have said such things have offered no concrete evidence as to why they reached that conclusion.

According to Pedro de Carmo there is no evidence against them... They are not suspects, in either investigation.. Their actions in keeping the investigation  open are, all evidence of their non involvement
« Last Edit: April 22, 2018, 08:51:34 AM by Davel »

Offline barrier

According to Pedro de Carmo there is no evidence against them... They are not suspects, in either investigation.. Their actions in keeping the investigation  open are, all evidence of their non involvement
IYO.
No one else is a suspect,would any one really expect the PJ or SY to announce who they are looking at,if that is indeed the case.
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Offline Mr Gray

No one else is a suspect,would any one really expect the PJ or SY to announce who they are looking at,if that is indeed the case.

If they were  suspects I wouldn't expect the investigators to comment... There is evidence if their non involvement but sceptics want to ignore it