The Calpol claim revisited.

[Lace]

The McCanns said that Amelie cried on Tuesday night. The McCanns said that Madeleine told them the twins cried on Wednesday night, The McCanns changed that story later to Madeleine and Sean crying. When two of the three children were exposed to excessive noise, light and disturbance on Thursday night they showed no sign whatsoever of being easily disturbed.

At the start it was 'why didn't you come when Sean and me cried'   there was no 'last night'   In my opinion Kate remembering the stain on Madeleine's pyjama's on the Thursday morning,  wondered if the abductor had tried to abduct her the night before,  and that is why Madeleine was crying.   

Children do sleep through a huge amount of noise,  they could have just been sound asleep.   Kate was in a very traumatised state when she was worrying about them,  imagining the abductor had sedated them.   Though Fiona said they were fine.

I read somewhere that if a child moves and settles itself then the child is not unconcious,  it could be the twins did move and settle themselves again. IMO

[G-Unit]

Does Calpol Night work so effectively as a sedative that it prevents children waking up due to excessive noise, light and disturbance?  If so then perhaps it explains why Madeleine didn’t wake up when allegedly abducted, and it also means we can rule out woke and wandered and her getting up and having an accident, doesn’t it?

I don't believe the children were given Calpol.

[G-Unit]

At the start it was 'why didn't you come when Sean and me cried'   there was no 'last night'   In my opinion Kate remembering the stain on Madeleine's pyjama's on the Thursday morning,  wondered if the abductor had tried to abduct her the night before,  and that is why Madeleine was crying.   

Children do sleep through a huge amount of noise,  they could have just been sound asleep.   Kate was in a very traumatised state when she was worrying about them,  imagining the abductor had sedated them.   Though Fiona said they were fine.

I read somewhere that if a child moves and settles itself then the child is not unconcious,  it could be the twins did move and settle themselves again. IMO

At the start it was;

on the morning of the 3rd May, when Madeleine asked the witness the reason why they had not gone to her room when the twins were crying
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN.htm

on the morning of Thursday May 3rd, Madeleine asked the interviewee why she had not come to look in the bedroom when the twins were crying
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN.htm

Then it became;

While they were taking breakfast MADELEINE addressed the mother and asked her ?why didn't you come last night when S*** and I were crying??.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

[Miss Taken Identity]

Just reading my first line should answer that I don't believe the children were drugged by an abductor, or MBM was murdered.

It was Kate who made the claim, her reasons according to VS is she wanted to bamboozle conspirators! I have no idea why she made that claim, I only offered an opinion on it.
 I agree it is very very weak!

The implication is Kate *knew* her children were sedated (she being an anaesthetist and all, nudge nudge)  and then decided to draw attention to their apparent sedation weeks or months later by suggesting it as a cause of the children’s deep sleep, in other words she deliberately planted the seed in the minds of a thousand conspiracy theorists for reasons best known to herself.  Now, if she’d simply never voiced this alleged concern in the first place think how many forum threads would never have been started.  On second thoughts...

Well, for someone   who asks skeptic questions you seem a bit reluctant to afford others to ask questions about the McCanns ,their behaviour about their missing child. 

"Now, if she’d simply listened to her daughter and not left them alone again  and showed showed parental concern in the first place think how many forum threads would never have been started."

[Vertigo Swirl]

Just reading my first line should answer that I don't believe the children were drugged by an abductor, or MBM was murdered by the mother.

It was Kate who made the claim, her reasons according to VS is she wanted to bamboozle conspirators! I have no idea why she made that claim, I only offered an opinion on it.
 I agree it is very very weak!
Well, for someone   who asks skeptic questions you seem a bit reluctant to afford others to ask questions about the McCanns ,their behaviour about their missing child. 

"Now, if she’d simply listened to her daughter and not left them alone again  and showed showed parental concern in the first place think how many forum threads would never have been started."

Darling, I LOVE it when y’all ask your little questions, if you didn’t I wouldn’t be here at all 

[slartibartfast]

Sorry I find it ridiculous that anyone would believe the McCann's give the children 'Calpol Night' which wasn't on the market until the following September after Madeleine disappeared.

So how would they come across obtaining it?    'Hey I can we have some Calpol Night to take with us on holiday please?   We want to give it to our children so that they will sleep for a couple of hours  whilst we  have dinner,  actually can you supply it for all our friends too?  Thanks'.     Why haven't anyone come forward revealing the fact that they had acquired said 'Calpol Night' ?

It wasn't much cop either was it,  Amelie woke on the Tuesday night,  Madeleine said her and Sean were crying too.

It was licensed in January 2007.

[slartibartfast]

The implication is Kate *knew* her children were sedated (she being an anaesthetist and all, nudge nudge)  and then decided to draw attention to their apparent sedation weeks or months later by suggesting it as a cause of the children’s deep sleep, in other words she deliberately planted the seed in the minds of a thousand conspiracy theorists for reasons best known to herself.  Now, if she’d simply never voiced this alleged concern in the first place think how many forum threads would never have been started.  On second thoughts...

Maybe as a doctor she would be expected to recognise sedation. Had she not flagged up her suspicions it could have looked strange when other information became available.

[Mr Gray]

Maybe as a doctor she would be expected to recognise sedation. Had she not flagged up her suspicions it could have looked strange when other information became available.

Or maybe not... All speculation... As, I have said before I have seen children so tired they cannot be roused... Simply because they were so worn out

[G-Unit]

Or maybe not... All speculation... As, I have said before I have seen children so tired they cannot be roused... Simply because they were so worn out

In this case their mother was worried.....but not enough to try rousing them.

[Vertigo Swirl]

In this case their mother was worried.....but not enough to try rousing them.

How do you know she didn't try to rouse them?

[G-Unit]

How do you know she didn't try to rouse them?

Trying to rouse them seems like a fail safe method, doesn't it? They either show signs of waking, in which case you stop, or they don't, in which case you do more. Kate didn't seem to agree though, contenting herself by looking for signs of life;

Scared for them, too, I placed the palms of my hands on their backs to check for chest movement, basically, for some sign of life. [madeleine]

[Vertigo Swirl]

Trying to rouse them seems like a fail safe method, doesn't it? They either show signs of waking, in which case you stop, or they don't, in which case you do more. Kate didn't seem to agree though, contenting herself by looking for signs of life;

Scared for them, too, I placed the palms of my hands on their backs to check for chest movement, basically, for some sign of life. [madeleine]

Once again, how do you know she didn't try to rouse them?

As an aside, it strikes me that some people think Kate's book is a minute by minute transcript of every thought, word and deed that occurred that evening (apart from all the bits they believe to be completely made up of course!)

[G-Unit]

Once again, how do you know she didn't try to rouse them?

As an aside, it strikes me that some people think Kate's book is a minute by minute transcript of every thought, word and deed that occurred that evening (apart from all the bits they believe to be completely made up of course!)

If she had tried to rouse the and failed she would have had to get help. If she had tried and succeeded there would have been no need to wonder about it later.

[Robittybob1]

If she had tried to rouse the and failed she would have had to get help. If she had tried and succeeded there would have been no need to wonder about it later.

But then she'd have two more problems to deal with.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Once again, how do you know she didn't try to rouse them?

As an aside, it strikes me that some people think Kate's book is a minute by minute transcript of every thought, word and deed that occurred that evening (apart from all the bits they believe to be completely made up of course!)

Are you saying the book isn't?  Are there bits we should ignore?

If Kate tried to rouse them then she could have shouted from the balcony.. Help!, Help!... but she didn't because she didn't want to wake the twins...