Was Gerry's visit to 5a and the sighting of a man carrying a child related?

[Vertigo Swirl]

A missing child is evidence of a missing child.

but not evidence of a child abduction?

[faithlilly]

Unless you both want us to get forum naughty points I'm afraid it had to be swerved - which should come as a great relief to you.

I would have preferred to hear your argument

[Vertigo Swirl]

I would have preferred to hear your argument

I would rather not break forum rules, and I don't appreciate your attempts at goading me into doing so.

[slartibartfast]

but not evidence of a child abduction?

Abduction
Or wandering off.
Or being concealed.

[Vertigo Swirl]

You are an adult VS. How could I ‘goad’ you into doing anything.

Goading is a recognised tactic on internet forums, even those used by so-called adults.  Of course, I won't be goaded by you, or anyone else for that matter.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Abduction
Or wandering off.
Or being concealed.

Therefore it IS evidence of abduction.  It may be evidence of other things, but it is still evidence, which if Madeleine turns out to have been abducted, will be proven to be a fact.

[John]

Not really.  There was an opportunity for the child to be taken during the time her parents were absent from the apartment which was unlocked, it would have taken minutes or less to carry out, name one daft thing that prevents that scenario from hanging together?

No evidence of any intruder.

[John]

Therefore it IS evidence of abduction.  It may be evidence of other things, but it is still evidence, which if Madeleine turns out to have been abducted, will be proven to be a fact.

Slarti is correct.  A missing child is not evidence of anything really except that she is missing.

Several attempts have been made to legitimise the abduction theory including claims that the window and shutter had been forced, that an abductor was seen carrying Madeleine away from 5a, that various men were seen lurking around 5a and that someone was taking pictures of Madeleine so she must have been abducted but NONE OF THEM have stood up to scrutiny.

[sadie]

On you go.

Alice suggested them.  It's up to Alice to provide them (the six daft things before breakfast)

Nice try to twist the situation tho, Faith

[Robittybob1]

Unless you both want us to get forum naughty points I'm afraid it had to be swerved - which should come as a great relief to you.

The more you talk about it the more I wanted to know what it was about.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Slarti is correct.  A missing child is not evidence of anything really except that she is missing.

Several attempts have been made to legitimise the abduction theory including claims that the window and shutter had been forced, that an abductor was seen carrying Madeleine away from 5a, that various men were seen lurking around 5a and that someone was taking pictures of Madeleine so she must have been abducted but NONE OF THEM have stood up to scrutiny.

If you left your holiday apartment unlocked, with your passport, camera, wallet and other valuables on the kitchen table, returned 30 minutes later and discovered they had disappeared, would you say that this was evidence that someone had come into your apartment and taken them or not?

[Angelo222]

If you left your holiday apartment unlocked, with your passport, camera, wallet and other valuables on the kitchen table, returned 30 minutes later and discovered they had disappeared, would you say that this was evidence that someone had come into your apartment and taken them or not?

Somehow I don't think they would have walked out on their own.  Interesting you should mention that though since the McCanns locked their apartment during the day when it was empty but left it open in the evening with three toddlers inside.  Some logic????

[Vertigo Swirl]

Somehow I don't think they would have walked out on their own.  Interesting you should mention that though since the McCanns locked their apartment during the day when it was empty but left it open in the evening with three toddlers inside.  Some logic????

So the absence of the items I mentioned would be evidence of someone entering the apartment illegally and stealing them, correct?  Of course there may be other explanations, even though these items can't walk - such as - you forgot you absent mindedly locked them in the safe before you left, your other half moved them to the bedroom and didn't tell you, you staged a robbery for insurance, etc.  Nevertheless their absence is also evidence of a robbery, if indeed one has in fact taken place.  One couldn't report it as a robbery without some evidence of it in the first place,  therefore a child's disappearance is also evidence of an abduction, though abduction may not turn out to be the actual reason for the disappearance.

[jassi]

So the absence of the items I mentioned would be evidence of someone entering the apartment illegally and stealing them, correct?  Of course there may be other explanations, even though these items can't walk - such as - you forgot you absent mindedly locked them in the safe before you left, your other half moved them to the bedroom and didn't tell you, you staged a robbery for insurance, etc.  Nevertheless their absence is also evidence of a robbery, if indeed one has in fact taken place.  One couldn't report it as a robbery without some evidence of it in the first place,  therefore a child's disappearance is also evidence of an abduction, though abduction may not turn out to be the actual reason for the disappearance.

Not really - just evidence that she is missing. Cause unknown.  IMO

[Angelo222]

So the absence of the items I mentioned would be evidence of someone entering the apartment illegally and stealing them, correct?  Of course there may be other explanations, even though these items can't walk - such as - you forgot you absent mindedly locked them in the safe before you left, your other half moved them to the bedroom and didn't tell you, you staged a robbery for insurance, etc.  Nevertheless their absence is also evidence of a robbery, if indeed one has in fact taken place.  One couldn't report it as a robbery without some evidence of it in the first place,  therefore a child's disappearance is also evidence of an abduction, though abduction may not turn out to be the actual reason for the disappearance.

Had the apartment been locked you might have had an argument but as we know the patio door was unlocked and easily opened and the front door could be opened from the inside thus the missing child could have simply walked out given she was distressed at being left alone with her twin siblings night after night. There is also the Amaral theory which I won't go into for obvious reasons.

Evidence of an abduction requires tangible factors to be at play and none appear in this case.