Was Gerry's visit to 5a and the sighting of a man carrying a child related?

[Eleanor]

There are too many of them for them to be irrelevant.

In your opinion.

[Brietta]

I am taking your lead and not leaving myself open to accusations of libel. Besides what’s the point of answering when it will only be deleted as my answer to you was last night.

You are correct to avoid libelling anyone;  but it is well to avoid the danger of libelling by implication or insinuation;  which might be the case in making a statement you are unable to back up because to do so would be libel.

[Alice Purjorick]

As far as I'm concerned there is no occurrence or even series of occurrences that makes it impossible or highly unlikely for a potential abductor to enter the apartment that evening and carry away the child.

A fair enough comment as it stands.
It is the making it fit in with all the other statements and implications that may prove difficult.

[Vertigo Swirl]

A fair enough comment as it stands.
It is the making it fit in with all the other statements and implications that may prove difficult.

I really don't think so - allowing for the fallibility of human memory, which most reasonable investigators do when looking at witness statements, and trying to fit the pieces together like a badly cut jigsaw, I think a fairly cohesive narrative can be drawn.  The problem is - trying to do that on here, we get embroiled in the tiny detail, and discounting "x" as a possibility because someone said "x +1" instead, when in fact both recollections may be slightly imprecise and the real answer is "y".

[Alice Purjorick]

I really don't think so - allowing for the fallibility of human memory, which most reasonable investigators do when looking at witness statements, and trying to fit the pieces together like a badly cut jigsaw, I think a fairly cohesive narrative can be drawn.  The problem is - trying to do that on here, we get embroiled in the tiny detail, and discounting "x" as a possibility because someone said "x +1" instead, when in fact both recollections may be slightly imprecise and the real answer is "y".

Should you have done any serious incident investigation you will know that witness statements are generally taken with a bit of salt.

I was thinking more in terms of the whooshing of curtains [just as a frinstance] and the physical plus meterological conditions that must have obtained to create that phenomenon and why on the face of it flies in face of known laws. More out of interest than anything else. Then why would PdL seemingly have an offshore breeze when the rest of the world would have an onshore breeze. Why in PdL does pressure move from low to high rather than high to low as it does in the rest of the world. Two or three of those will attract attention.

[slartibartfast]

I really don't think so - allowing for the fallibility of human memory, which most reasonable investigators do when looking at witness statements, and trying to fit the pieces together like a badly cut jigsaw, I think a fairly cohesive narrative can be drawn.  The problem is - trying to do that on here, we get embroiled in the tiny detail, and discounting "x" as a possibility because someone said "x +1" instead, when in fact both recollections may be slightly imprecise and the real answer is "y".

If you are counting on the fallibility of human memory to iron out any discrepancies than you also have to doubt the memories indicating abduction.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Should you have done any serious incident investigation you will know that witness statements are generally taken with a bit of salt.

I was thinking more in terms of the whooshing of curtains [just as a frinstance] and the physical plus meterological conditions that must have obtained to create that phenomenon and why on the face of it flies in face of known laws. More out of interest than anything else. Then why would PdL seemingly have an offshore breeze when the rest of the world would have an onshore breeze. Why in PdL does pressure move from low to high rather than high to low as it does in the rest of the world. Two or three of those will attract attention.

I always find this to be a completely "nothing" point.  How much of the police investigation has been devoted to "whooshing curtains" do you suppose?  Are you telling me that when you open an outside door in one room and the door to the curtain in another room billows out that that is a scientific impossibility?

[Vertigo Swirl]

If you are counting on the fallibility of human memory to iron out any discrepancies than you also have to doubt the memories indicating abduction.

Sure, if needs be.

[Miss Taken Identity]

I always find this to be a completely "nothing" point.  How much of the police investigation has been devoted to "whooshing curtains" do you suppose?  Are you telling me that when you open an outside door in one room and the door to the curtain in another room billows out that that is a scientific impossibility?

You are complaining that the police spent time looking at the whooshing curtain claim?.Or the amount of time discussing it. Well, you may have missed this; but the whole abduction theory came from the claims Kate made- jimmied shutters/open window/ whooshing curtains,upon further investigation it was agreed by the investigating team that no abductor entered or left the apartment this way. Therefore, they disbelieved in an abduction. And this was ALL down to Kate making this claim. The police believed it to be 'staged' and I agree with them on this point. Only Kate and Gerry know what really happened as they were the last known people to see her alive in the apartment.

[Vertigo Swirl]

You are complaining that the police spent time looking at the whooshing curtain claim?.Or the amount of time discussing it. Well, you may have missed this; but the whole abduction theory came from the claims Kate made- jimmied shutters/open window/ whooshing curtains,upon further investigation it was agreed by the investigating team that no abductor entered or left the apartment this way. Therefore, they disbelieved in an abduction. And this was ALL down to Kate making this claim. The police believed it to be 'staged' and I agree with them on this point. Only Kate and Gerry know what really happened as they were the last known people to see her alive in the apartment.

Perhaps you could point me to the relevant reference in the police files where it was, discussed, tested and proven that it is impossible for curtains to whoosh in the manner described by Kate McCann, thanks.

[jassi]

Perhaps you could point me to the relevant reference in the police files where it was, discussed, tested and proven that it is impossible for curtains to whoosh in the manner described by Kate McCann, thanks.

Many things are possible. The important thing  is 'did it happen'

[Miss Taken Identity]

Perhaps you could point me to the relevant reference in the police files where it was, discussed, tested and proven that it is impossible for curtains to whoosh in the manner described by Kate McCann, thanks.

I never said they discussed it was impossible for the curtains to whoosh.  Read again... I said that after discussion and  investigation  the PJ didn't not believe an abductor entered or exited the apartment via that window. As claimed by Kate McCann.

It would be most helpful if you would please read the posts in context and stop inventing things which are not said.

Thank you.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Many things are possible. The important thing  is 'did it happen'

It could have, but some people spout physics to tell us that it couldn't.  The police meanwhile haven't commented on "whooshing curtains" to the best of my knowledge.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I never said they discussed it was impossible for the curtains to whoosh.  Read again... I said that after discussion and  investigation  the PJ didn't not believe an abductor entered or exited the apartment via that window. As claimed by Kate McCann.

It would be most helpful if you would please read the posts in context and stop inventing things which are not said.

Thank you.

Perhaps you could employ your same advice when reading my posts as my "nothing point" comment referred specifically to the "whooshing curtains".  Thanks

[Miss Taken Identity]

It could have, but some people spout physics to tell us that it couldn't.  The police meanwhile haven't commented on "whooshing curtains" to the best of my knowledge.

and you also said:"Perhaps you could point me to the relevant reference in the police files where it was, discussed, tested and proven that it is impossible for curtains to whoosh in the manner described by Kate McCann, thanks.
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No one has claimed the police got in a strop about whooshing curtains...

IMO You are just seeking to be argumentative without due cause.