What did Kate McCann really see in the Children's Bedroom

[Robittybob1]

My question again, addressed to those with anything to add to the discsussion.

It could only be theoretical at best.
"Jane actually DID see a man carrying a child from the direction of the apartment at 9.15 pm.  So, what then happened next vis-a-vis hatching the convoluted plot, involving whooshing curtains?" 

In my theory Crecheman was taking that child to the McCann's apartment as part of a prank being played on Kate, but when Jane appeared on the scene it became impossible to walk down to the side gate without blowing the prank.  Someone else had to do Kate's 9:30 check so they had extra time to set up the prank.

But no one budgeted on the burglars opening the shutters and that noise waking Madeleine so the whole prank turned to custard.
At 10:00 they think the scene is set but it has all gone wrong.  Kate discovers the whooshing curtains.  The guys don't know if the crime scene left by the burglars was part of the prank or not so the crime scene is not preserved.

That is how my theory worked.
Mark Rowley sums it up nicely:  "However Madeleine left the apartment, she was abducted"
The prank should not have resulted in Madeleine being lost, so they assume she was abducted.

[Robin Banks]

Stop playing games and refer to my earlier posts, you know perfectly well I am not interested in investigating Jane Tanner’s sighting, I’m interested in understanding more from those who believe she colluded with Gerry McCann and how they think that came about.  Your attempts at turning the tables on me are doomed to fail so kindly desist.

Tanner didn't collude with Gerry McCann, Tanner saw TotMan carrying a small sleeping Child and TotMan verify's this.

Gerry McCann IMO didn't collude with any of the Tapas 7, but unfortunately for them all, they all became involved because they chose to invite the McCanns on their holiday.

The only difference between the Tapas 7 and the McCanns Is,  The Tapas 7 don't know what happened to Maddie McCann but the McCanns know something that they are not willing to reveal.

[Robin Banks]

It could only be theoretical at best.
"Jane actually DID see a man carrying a child from the direction of the apartment at 9.15 pm.  So, what then happened next vis-a-vis hatching the convoluted plot, involving whooshing curtains?" 

In my theory Crecheman was taking that child to the McCann's apartment as part of a prank being played on Kate, but when Jane appeared on the scene it became impossible to walk down to the side gate without blowing the prank.  Someone else had to do Kate's 9:30 check so they had extra time to set up the prank.

But no one budgeted on the burglars opening the shutters and that noise waking Madeleine so the whole prank turned to custard.
At 10:00 they think the scene is set but it has all gone wrong.  Kate discovers the whooshing curtains.  The guys don't know if the crime scene left by the burglars was part of the prank or not so the crime scene is not preserved.

That is how my theory worked.
Mark Rowley sums it up nicely:  "However Madeleine left the apartment, she was abducted"
The prank should not have resulted in Madeleine being lost, so they assume she was abducted.

I'm beginning to think I live on another planet, planet custard maybe.   

[Alice Purjorick]

Tanner didn't collude with Gerry McCann, Tanner saw TotMan carrying a small sleeping Child and TotMan verify's this.

Gerry McCann IMO didn't collude with any of the Tapas 7, but unfortunately for them all, they all became involved because they chose to invite the McCanns on their holiday.

The only difference between the Tapas 7 and the McCanns Is,  The Tapas 7 don't know what happened to Maddie McCann but the McCanns know something that they are not willing to reveal.

As I have posted before.
T7 plus 2 rather than T9.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Tanner didn't collude with Gerry McCann, Tanner saw TotMan carrying a small sleeping Child and TotMan verify's this.

Gerry McCann IMO didn't collude with any of the Tapas 7, but unfortunately for them all, they all became involved because they chose to invite the McCanns on their holiday.

The only difference between the Tapas 7 and the McCanns Is,  The Tapas 7 don't know what happened to Maddie McCann but the McCanns know something that they are not willing to reveal.

So in your view are the Tapas 7 accounts of that evening completely truthful?  Because we do have some contributors to  this thread who have at least 3 of them involved in serious subterfuge.

[Alice Purjorick]

1)Stop playing games and refer to my earlier posts, you know perfectly well I am not interested in investigating Jane Tanner’s sighting, 2)I’m interested in understanding more from those who believe she colluded with Gerry McCann and how they think that came about.  3)Your attempts at turning the tables on me are doomed to fail so kindly desist.

1) I am not playing games I am a member of this forum as much you squire. Show me in the rules where I need your approval to post anything.
2) Fair doos
3) That sounds a bit like Joseph Heller's comment about paranoia in Catch-22

[Vertigo Swirl]

1) I am not playing games I am a member of this forum as much you squire. Show me in the rules where I need your approval to post anything.
2) Fair doos
3) That sounds a bit like Joseph Heller's comment about paranoia in Catch-22

Re: point 2 - finally the penny drops.

[Robin Banks]

So in your view are the Tapas 7 accounts of that evening completely truthful?  Because we do have some contributors to  this thread who have at least 3 of them involved in serious subterfuge.

I believe the Tapas 7 were completely truthful in their accounts for that evening apart from Matt's statement about seeing the Twins in the Children's bedroom that night.

Do you really think three of the Tapas 7 are involved, that's five out of the nine.  Do you have three friends out of seven friends who would collude with you to cover up a Child going missing, possibly dead? 

 

[Robittybob1]

So in your view are the Tapas 7 accounts of that evening completely truthful?  Because we do have some contributors to  this thread who have at least 3 of them involved in serious subterfuge.

Could you list those three and what has been said about them?

[Robittybob1]

I believe the Tapas 7 were completely truthful in their accounts for that evening apart from Matt's statement about seeing the Twins in the Children's bedroom that night.

Do you really think three of the Tapas 7 are involved, that's five out of the nine.  Do you have three friends out of seven friends who would collude with you to cover up a Child going missing, possibly dead?

Your post is off topic, for how do you get to be talking about "friends who would collude with you to cover up a Child going missing, possibly dead"?

[Robittybob1]

I'm beginning to think I live on another planet, planet custard maybe.   

Well can you explain why intelligent people like doctors didn't do more to the preserve the scene that Kate saw, well at least what she says she saw.

[Robittybob1]

Tanner didn't collude with Gerry McCann, Tanner saw TotMan carrying a small sleeping Child and TotMan verify's this.

Gerry McCann IMO didn't collude with any of the Tapas 7, but unfortunately for them all, they all became involved because they chose to invite the McCanns on their holiday.

The only difference between the Tapas 7 and the McCanns Is,  The Tapas 7 don't know what happened to Maddie McCann but the McCanns know something that they are not willing to reveal.

We don't know what Totman says.

Your sentence "Gerry McCann IMO didn't collude with any of the Tapas 7, but unfortunately for them all, they all became involved because they chose to invite the McCanns on their holiday" is opinion only.

And so is "The only difference between the Tapas 7 and the McCanns Is,  The Tapas 7 don't know what happened to Maddie McCann but the McCanns know something that they are not willing to reveal".

Make it clear when you are using your own thinking.

[Robittybob1]

Did Totman say he saw Jane?

Has anyone seen Totman's statement?

[Vertigo Swirl]

I believe the Tapas 7 were completely truthful in their accounts for that evening apart from Matt's statement about seeing the Twins in the Children's bedroom that night.

Do you really think three of the Tapas 7 are involved, that's five out of the nine.  Do you have three friends out of seven friends who would collude with you to cover up a Child going missing, possibly dead? 

 

No I definitely don’t but there are many people who think this is what happened in PdL including several people who post regularly on this forum. 

[Vertigo Swirl]

Could you list those three and what has been said about them?

JT, DP and MO for starters - all accused (implicitly) of collusion, lying and worse.  I’ll not go into details if you don’t mind.