Author Topic: Will releasing further case files be a factor in keeping this case ticking over?  (Read 9777 times)

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Offline Brietta

Apparently, the general idea is  transparency (don't mention the war dictatorship), to justify the decision.

I asked around various Portuguese people I was in contact with at the time, and no one had ever heard of DVDs being handed out before. My best guess is that it was simply a pragmatic decision in view of the anticipated media frenzy and likely disruption. I can understand that to a point, but, perhaps with more time, identifying elements could have been redacted (as happens frequently in the US) and indeed in PT legal judgments.

In view of the numerous "leaks" throughout the investigation, many of which were garbled half-truths at best, I'm curious as to whether whoever made that decision thought that it could help to set the record straight, and / or whether that person anticipated that the whole of it would get shared beyond whatever "interested parties" were deemed to be, then uploaded wholesale.

I am convinced that the effect the internet would have on the dissemination of the files just wasn't considered because such a thing happening was totally unprecedented.

We with the the experience of the intervening years and the benefit of hindsight could have flagged up the likelihood of it, but in my opinion the Portuguese authorities at the time could never have envisaged anyone breaching their trust to the extent it was, to translate and release the files on the internet.

Having seen that happening once and probably being appalled by the abuse of the constitution it signified I firmly believe that the present Portuguese authorities will take steps to ensure there is no repetition.
I believe part of that process has been the care taken to ensure there would be no pejorative press leaks about anyone from the review stage until now ensuring that 'judicial secrecy' is just that.

Based on that, I am convinced that consideration will already have been given to the best way to facilitate the lawful use of the new Madeleine files when the time comes while ensuring that the law and the constitution are not compromised as I believe happened previously.
No easy task when relying on the honour and integrity of the recipient; but I have no doubt that the entertainment value when and if the present files are released won't match the 2008 free for all.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline jassi

Different country, different rules.
We appear to be nowhere the end of this saga yet, so it could be years before we get to see the second installment, which will presumably only record the Portuguese side of the investigation and not give much insight to British activity. Hell will freeze over before the UK judicial system offers a similar degree of  transparent
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Offline Robittybob1

personally I think it has been embarrassing for Portugal, and they have been forced to investigate the case properly.
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Offline jassi

personally I think it has been embarrassing for Portugal, and they have been forced to investigate the case properly.

Countries don't do embarrassment.
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Offline Robittybob1

Countries don't do embarrassment.
They ought to.  MH17 downed by Russian missile.  Things like that aren't going to be forgotten quickly.  The way Portugal seems to finger foreigners for their troubles won't be forgotten by me.
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Offline jassi

They ought to.  MH17 downed by Russian missile.  Things like that aren't going to be forgotten quickly. The way Portugal seems to finger foreigners for their troubles won't be forgotten by me.

Would you care to give some examples to support your statement ?
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Offline Robittybob1

Would you care to give some examples to support your statement ?
The one that sealed it for me was the Australian woman accused of committing suicide but the autopsy showed she had been hit over the head 4 times with an axe.  I have referred to this case several times over the years of being on the forum.
http://www.theportugalnews.com/news/family-claim-australian-woman-murdered-at-algarve-home-police-say-suicide/4397

"Local police concluded the death was a suicide, despite an autopsy in Australia finding later she died of extensive injuries caused by repeated blows with an axe and evidence of defensive wounds on her arms and legs."  Is a mistake like that even possible?
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Offline jassi

The one that sealed it for me was the Australian woman accused of committing suicide but the autopsy showed she had been hit over the head 4 times with an axe.  I have referred to this case several times over the years of being on the forum.
http://www.theportugalnews.com/news/family-claim-australian-woman-murdered-at-algarve-home-police-say-suicide/4397

"Local police concluded the death was a suicide, despite an autopsy in Australia finding later she died of extensive injuries caused by repeated blows with an axe and evidence of defensive wounds on her arms and legs."  Is a mistake like that even possible?

How is that " fingering foreigners for their troubles"?
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I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

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Offline barrier

Countries don't do embarrassment.

Something or some one has to be blamed,imo.
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Offline Robittybob1

The one that sealed it for me was the Australian woman accused of committing suicide but the autopsy showed she had been hit over the head 4 times with an axe.  I have referred to this case several times over the years of being on the forum.
http://www.theportugalnews.com/news/family-claim-australian-woman-murdered-at-algarve-home-police-say-suicide/4397

"Local police concluded the death was a suicide, despite an autopsy in Australia finding later she died of extensive injuries caused by repeated blows with an axe and evidence of defensive wounds on her arms and legs."  Is a mistake like that even possible?
A few photos of how the body was found would go along way.  I'd like that case to be reopened.
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Offline Erngath

A few photos of how the body was found would go along way.  I'd like that case to be reopened.


I would imagine her family would also like the case reopened.
Seems a most unlikely way for anyone to kill themself.

Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline Robittybob1

How is that " fingering foreigners for their troubles"?
Blaming the Australian for committing suicide rather than looking for the murderer with their country, that is my opinion and I'm struggling to forget it.

I would imagine her family would also like the case reopened.
Seems a most unlikely way for anyone to kill themself.


I'm sure that is the case.
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Offline Robittybob1

Even releasing a few thousand of the case files the PJ held back from their 2007 - 2008 investigation would be a good way to keep the case ticking over IMO.
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Offline Mr Gray

Blaming the Australian for committing suicide rather than looking for the murderer with their country, that is my opinion and I'm struggling to forget it. I'm sure that is the case.

the PJ suggested the head wounds from an axe were self inflicted evidently

Offline jassi

Even releasing a few thousand of the case files the PJ held back from their 2007 - 2008 investigation would be a good way to keep the case ticking over IMO.

That the Portuguese held these files back suggests that document release was carefully considered and stuff was not just  released willy nilly
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

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